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Subject: The Democrats’ 2016 mistake rss

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Excellent analysis article from Yahoo News of all places:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/the-democrats-2016-mistake-100053...
 
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They 'fixed' the "Cable-holdings" in LIEU of the 'election'?
 
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Hate to give it up to myself, but I said the same thing two days after the election concerning demographics. And Democrats forgot one more important thing: almost all liberals are Democrats, but not all Democrats are liberals. There's a lot of moderates and more than a few conservative Democrats, and they're the ones who were marginalized by the party.

Finally, it appeared that the Democrats worried too much about putting down people who kept calling Cait "Bruce Jenner" instead of remembering:

It's the economy, stupid, and that affects EVERYONE.

They deserved to lose.

So did the Republicans, but that's for another thread. The Republicans won by default, and only because Trump headed the ticket.
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Hate to give it up to myself, but I said the same thing two days after the election concerning demographics. And Democrats forgot one more important thing: almost all liberals are Democrats, but not all Democrats are liberals. There's a lot of moderates and more than a few conservative Democrats, and they're the ones who were marginalized by the party.

Finally, it appeared that the Democrats worried too much about putting down people who kept calling Cait "Bruce Jenner" instead of remembering:

It's the economy, stupid, and that affects EVERYONE.

They deserved to lose.

So did the Republicans, but that's for another thread. The Republicans won by default, and only because Trump headed the ticket.


Funny because I remember democrats rallying around Elizabeth Warren and Bernie because they spoke of things like regulating Wall St greed and reducing student debt. Then again those are also the exact reasons why Hillary lost.
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remorseless1 wrote:
Hate to give it up to myself, but I said the same thing two days after the election concerning demographics. And Democrats forgot one more important thing: almost all liberals are Democrats, but not all Democrats are liberals. There's a lot of moderates and more than a few conservative Democrats, and they're the ones who were marginalized by the party.

Finally, it appeared that the Democrats worried too much about putting down people who kept calling Cait "Bruce Jenner" instead of remembering:

It's the economy, stupid, and that affects EVERYONE.

They deserved to lose.

So did the Republicans, but that's for another thread. The Republicans won by default, and only because Trump headed the ticket.


Funny because I remember democrats rallying around Elizabeth Warren and Bernie because they spoke of things like regulating Wall St greed and reducing student debt. Then again those are also the exact reasons why Hillary lost.

But Clinton didn't make a forceful case for either of those, and especially did not make a forceful case for her own economic program, which I noted in a previous thread I thought was superior to Trump's, but Trump sold his better.
 
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My pet theory is that in the back of a TON of working class Americans' minds is that most people's health insurance has shot up during the Obama years either in spite of or due to Obamacare depending on who you believe and I have got to think that for the broad swath of working class Americans who have less in their paycheck every month, that's gotta be a factor.

The failure to prevent it or really even mention the fact that the average employee co-pay is shooting up at an astronomical rate is a big deal.
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Our company just renewed our health insurance and I'm going to have to pay an additional $20/month for the exact same insurance. Even worse, this is $20/month more than I paid for my insurance two years ago, as well. This is getting out of hand.

rylfrazier wrote:
My pet theory is that in the back of a TON of working class Americans is that most people's health insurance has shot up during the Obama years either in spite of or due to Obamacare depending on who you believe and I have got to think that for the broad swath of working class Americans who have less in their paycheck every month, that's gotta be a factor.

The failure to prevent it or really even mention the fact that the average employee co-pay is shooting up at an astronomical rate is a big deal.
 
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rylfrazier wrote:
My pet theory is that in the back of a TON of working class Americans' minds is that most people's health insurance has shot up during the Obama years either in spite of or due to Obamacare depending on who you believe and I have got to think that for the broad swath of working class Americans who have less in their paycheck every month, that's gotta be a factor.

The failure to prevent it or really even mention the fact that the average employee co-pay is shooting up at an astronomical rate is a big deal.


Fair point. Mine shot up 4-6k per year depending on how much I take out for my new HSA.Our insurance was great, but (from what our HR newletters said) it did not provide coverage for adults that live in their parents basement. So our company had to move to a new plan. which is very limited in our state.

There was no $2500 cheaper savings, there was no keep your doctor. It was all a lie to get it passed. And now any time the costs go up, Obamacare gets blamed. It will be the gift that keeps on giving because insurance premiums never go down.
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I agree that Obamacare is almost certainly a factor that has turned working Americans against the Democratic Party over the last 6 years. And it's why Democrats have been steadily losing elections at all levels of government.

The Republicans have an opportunity to deliver a better program. They've no longer got the excuses. If they don't deliver, they will find themselves losing ground as well.

Certainly there were more factors than just that. But I think that was the big elephant in the room that no Democrat wanted to address. (Except Bill Clinton, but it appears that Hillary's campaign ignored almost all of Bill's advice.)

 
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The other big mistake for Democrats was turning on the working class; making the underclass the enemy of all that is good and holy. They ran a campaign aimed at upper class elites and smeared the working class with their usual litany of racist/sexist/xenophobe nonsense.

The Democrats simply could not look at the issues that concerned the flyover country voters without reducing it to "You're just racist/sexist/xenophobic."

And insulting your potential voters and then asking them to vote for you . . . well, that doesn't work. Democrats were more concerned with thought-purity than creating the Big Tent.
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