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Subject: What a huge disappointment, no player aids.... rss

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Lior A
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Hello,

Yesterday I sat out to play my big box for the first time with 5 players, 3 new to the game.
I had the original Carson City and played it quite a few times.

After explaining all the rules, besides how the buildings work and what they do, I noticed that the Big Box edition does not have a players aid that explains all the buildings, road placement and house placement like the original did. (And the CCBB has much more buildings).

This made the game unplayable and is a huge letdown for a game that costs 100$!

The prerequisites for every building are explained in the rulebook of course, but it is not laid down in a comfortable manner and can be hard even for someone who has played the game a few times to consult this during the game.

For new player,it is almost impossible to play without having to ask how each building works all the time, and for this reason only we had to put down the game and not play it.

What the hell did they think?
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There are player aids in my Kickstarter version of the big box...
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Mine has players' aids, but then mine is the Kickstarter version so maybe the retail doesn't have them?
 
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Making the player aids KS exclusive?
Maybe next time they can also make the dice and exclusive thumbsdown
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Maybe your box is just missing them. I'm pretty sure they're standard in the big box. Have you researched to find out?

My bad - they were a KS exclusive. Lame. There are some options in the file section at least

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1511663/player-aids
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Yeah, very lame.

The files section only has 1 player aid file and it does not include all the buildings.

I just can't imagine what went through their heads to not include the player aids.
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I'm glad I supported Kickstarter and received my player aids. If they are a KS exclusive, I'm okay with that. thumbsup
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Dr Brian wrote:
I'm glad I supported Kickstarter and received my player aids. If they are a KS exclusive, I'm okay with that. thumbsup


As it seems you are a game designer. If you think it's OK for a company to make a basic game component, which was previously included in the regular edition of the game, a kickstarter exclusive, I think your judgment is quite off.

You would think that a designer's true wish was for people who bought the game to be able to enjoy it fully and not make the game a pain /chore to play.
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Dr Brian wrote:
I'm glad I supported Kickstarter and received my player aids. If they are a KS exclusive, I'm okay with that. thumbsup


I'm a KS supporter who finds this decision poorly thought out, and can't even imagine why someone would both be okay with the decision and feel the need to post in this thread how happy they are they have something others don't.
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Any chance someone could scan the player aide and post it to the files section? I'd love to add a printed version to my non-KS cooy
 
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https://www.uplay.it/en/boardgame-Carson-City--New-Player-Ai...
 
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Thanks, but 7.5 euros (including shipping) for a player's aid for a game that costs 100$. Yeah right.

If someone is willing to scan and send it to players in need that would be a great gesture.
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This is the kind of crap that gives Kickstarter a bad name and just generates ill feeling. Campaign exclusives, if you must include them, should be completely optional extras, not key game components.
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Send me a message on preorder.masterprint@gmail.com, I might have a solution for you guys.
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Badigel wrote:
Dr Brian wrote:
I'm glad I supported Kickstarter and received my player aids. If they are a KS exclusive, I'm okay with that. :thumbsup:


As it seems you are a game designer. If you think it's OK for a company to make a basic game component, which was previously included in the regular edition of the game, a kickstarter exclusive, I think your judgment is quite off.

You would think that a designer's true wish was for people who bought the game to be able to enjoy it fully and not make the game a pain /chore to play.


It was all out there for everyone to be a KS supporter. There were no "hidden" items. People that support KS are taking the RISK ... you are not. If they take the financial risk that you were not willing to take, they should get the reward.

The game publisher did nothing wrong.
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Dr Brian wrote:
Badigel wrote:
Dr Brian wrote:
I'm glad I supported Kickstarter and received my player aids. If they are a KS exclusive, I'm okay with that. thumbsup


As it seems you are a game designer. If you think it's OK for a company to make a basic game component, which was previously included in the regular edition of the game, a kickstarter exclusive, I think your judgment is quite off.

You would think that a designer's true wish was for people who bought the game to be able to enjoy it fully and not make the game a pain /chore to play.


It was all out there for everyone to be a KS supporter. There were no "hidden" items. People that support KS are taking the RISK ... you are not. If they take the financial risk that you were not willing to take, they should get the reward.

The game publisher did nothing wrong.


In addition to the "got mine, fuck you" mentality you've expressed, if you think a kickstarter of an already well establish, critically acclaimed game with a modest goal of 40k euros was a risk, then you might be a little out of touch.

Of course the publisher did nothing wrong, but it's still shitty.
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Neverfade wrote:
Dr Brian wrote:
Badigel wrote:
Dr Brian wrote:
I'm glad I supported Kickstarter and received my player aids. If they are a KS exclusive, I'm okay with that. thumbsup


As it seems you are a game designer. If you think it's OK for a company to make a basic game component, which was previously included in the regular edition of the game, a kickstarter exclusive, I think your judgment is quite off.

You would think that a designer's true wish was for people who bought the game to be able to enjoy it fully and not make the game a pain /chore to play.


It was all out there for everyone to be a KS supporter. There were no "hidden" items. People that support KS are taking the RISK ... you are not. If they take the financial risk that you were not willing to take, they should get the reward.

The game publisher did nothing wrong.


In addition to the "got mine, fuck you" mentality you've expressed, if you think a kickstarter of an already well establish, critically acclaimed game with a modest goal of 40k euros was a risk, then you might be a little out of touch.

Of course the publisher did nothing wrong, but it's still shitty.

Yeah. I wasn't at all aware of the Kickstarter when it happened. One significant issue with KS is the limited timeframe of fund collection.
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Neverfade wrote:
Dr Brian wrote:
Badigel wrote:
Dr Brian wrote:
I'm glad I supported Kickstarter and received my player aids. If they are a KS exclusive, I'm okay with that. :thumbsup:


As it seems you are a game designer. If you think it's OK for a company to make a basic game component, which was previously included in the regular edition of the game, a kickstarter exclusive, I think your judgment is quite off.

You would think that a designer's true wish was for people who bought the game to be able to enjoy it fully and not make the game a pain /chore to play.


It was all out there for everyone to be a KS supporter. There were no "hidden" items. People that support KS are taking the RISK ... you are not. If they take the financial risk that you were not willing to take, they should get the reward.

The game publisher did nothing wrong.


In addition to the "got mine, fuck you" mentality you've expressed, if you think a kickstarter of an already well establish, critically acclaimed game with a modest goal of 40k euros was a risk, then you might be a little out of touch.

Of course the publisher did nothing wrong, but it's still shitty.


LOL. Look, if I was a Communist like you are expressing, I would agree with your position. But I'm not a Communist, so I'm okay with "got mine,FU." It took no work to know Carson City was on KS (they had a banner on BGG for months), so I clicked on it, I invested, and I was rewarded for taking the risk.

I also understand that you have sour grapes and are disappointed in your poor decision not to support the project, but if you don't like how KS is run, then my recommendation is for YOU to establish a new company, and make it happen the way you want. Show us all your better way to do it, instead of just sitting behind your keyboard and complaining and typing trash. In the end, it shows you're a bit out of touch with how business investing and venture capital / crowd source funding works.

Quined Games has gone a long way to support people that have complained after publication, going the extra mile (or 1.6 kilometers) getting people like you that are whining, some of the extra components off-line, so it is unfair that you disparage these fine people that put effort and risk into what in the end, is just a game.
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Dr Brian wrote:
Neverfade wrote:
Dr Brian wrote:
Badigel wrote:
Dr Brian wrote:
I'm glad I supported Kickstarter and received my player aids. If they are a KS exclusive, I'm okay with that. thumbsup


As it seems you are a game designer. If you think it's OK for a company to make a basic game component, which was previously included in the regular edition of the game, a kickstarter exclusive, I think your judgment is quite off.

You would think that a designer's true wish was for people who bought the game to be able to enjoy it fully and not make the game a pain /chore to play.


It was all out there for everyone to be a KS supporter. There were no "hidden" items. People that support KS are taking the RISK ... you are not. If they take the financial risk that you were not willing to take, they should get the reward.

The game publisher did nothing wrong.


In addition to the "got mine, fuck you" mentality you've expressed, if you think a kickstarter of an already well establish, critically acclaimed game with a modest goal of 40k euros was a risk, then you might be a little out of touch.

Of course the publisher did nothing wrong, but it's still shitty.


LOL. Look, if I was a Communist like you are expressing, I would agree with your position. But I'm not a Communist, so I'm okay with "got mine,FU." It took no work to know Carson City was on KS (they had a banner on BGG for months), so I clicked on it, I invested, and I was rewarded for taking the risk.

I also understand that you have sour grapes and are disappointed in your poor decision not to support the project, but if you don't like how KS is run, then my recommendation is for YOU to establish a new company, and make it happen the way you want. Show us all your better way to do it, instead of just sitting behind your keyboard and complaining and typing trash. In the end, it shows you're a bit out of touch with how business investing and venture capital / crowd source funding works.

Quined Games has gone a long way to support people that have complained after publication, going the extra mile (or 1.6 kilometers) getting people like you that are whining, some of the extra components off-line, so it is unfair that you disparage these fine people that put effort and risk into what in the end, is just a game.


I thought "Strange, someone thumbed that post". Who would that be? Of course, the author of the post.
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Here's a suggestion: I'd happily pay a reasonable price for a print & play version of the game including components like this.
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Dr Brian wrote:
Neverfade wrote:
Dr Brian wrote:
Badigel wrote:
Dr Brian wrote:
I'm glad I supported Kickstarter and received my player aids. If they are a KS exclusive, I'm okay with that. thumbsup


As it seems you are a game designer. If you think it's OK for a company to make a basic game component, which was previously included in the regular edition of the game, a kickstarter exclusive, I think your judgment is quite off.

You would think that a designer's true wish was for people who bought the game to be able to enjoy it fully and not make the game a pain /chore to play.


It was all out there for everyone to be a KS supporter. There were no "hidden" items. People that support KS are taking the RISK ... you are not. If they take the financial risk that you were not willing to take, they should get the reward.

The game publisher did nothing wrong.


In addition to the "got mine, fuck you" mentality you've expressed, if you think a kickstarter of an already well establish, critically acclaimed game with a modest goal of 40k euros was a risk, then you might be a little out of touch.

Of course the publisher did nothing wrong, but it's still shitty.


LOL. Look, if I was a Communist like you are expressing, I would agree with your position. But I'm not a Communist, so I'm okay with "got mine,FU." It took no work to know Carson City was on KS (they had a banner on BGG for months), so I clicked on it, I invested, and I was rewarded for taking the risk.

I also understand that you have sour grapes and are disappointed in your poor decision not to support the project, but if you don't like how KS is run, then my recommendation is for YOU to establish a new company, and make it happen the way you want. Show us all your better way to do it, instead of just sitting behind your keyboard and complaining and typing trash. In the end, it shows you're a bit out of touch with how business investing and venture capital / crowd source funding works.

Quined Games has gone a long way to support people that have complained after publication, going the extra mile (or 1.6 kilometers) getting people like you that are whining, some of the extra components off-line, so it is unfair that you disparage these fine people that put effort and risk into what in the end, is just a game.


Brian, your reasoning is a bit twisted, sorry to say.

What about people who only heard of Carson City after the campaign ended. People who bought the normal Big Box that costs 100$ whereas the KS edition was priced at 75 euros.

And what about the fact that the player aids were never stated to be KS exclusives?

P.S. I'll just add that Paul from Quined Games was nice enough to offer player aids for me (and I guess other people) who bought the standard box.
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I can understand the complaint about KS exclusives if they change gameplay but I'm a little less sympathetic when it comes to extras. The game can be played without the Player aids and with the round by round roll out it is easy to explain what the new buildings do as they are drawn. There are many games without player aids that I create or find aids for.
 
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I can understand the complaint about KS exclusives if they change gameplay but I'm a little less sympathetic when it comes to extras. The game can be played without the Player aids and with the round by round roll out it is easy to explain what the new buildings do as they are drawn. There are many games without player aids that I create or find aids for.


I agree although I find it strange that the player aid is available in the base game. In a big box I would assume the same components as in the base game (yes it may not be listed).
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jhaimowitz wrote:
I can understand the complaint about KS exclusives if they change gameplay but I'm a little less sympathetic when it comes to extras. The game can be played without the Player aids and with the round by round roll out it is easy to explain what the new buildings do as they are drawn. There are many games without player aids that I create or find aids for.


I don't agree. Yes the game can be played, but it is far from optimal. Explaining 5 buildings to new players is not easy, the iconography is hard to grasp for first timers and using the player aid is much much easier.
Plus, players can consult the aid throughout the round without having to ask or check up close the icons on the building, which really ruins the fun and hinders the quality of the game, since when a players asks about a certain building, you can read his intention and anticipate a move.
Plus, it is a game component that was available since the first itineration of the game. Sure, KS exclusives is ok (sometimes), but removing a component in order to make it exclusive is not right.
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