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Subject: How to study a game? rss

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Marco MacDaddy
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So I'm an avid, if somewhat new, TTA player, and I've been playing for a while on BGO (hope it comes back to life soon).

Sometimes (often/almost always) people completely smash me, and I look at their final board and it is so incredibly superior to mine I shed a small bitter tear of shame at my own ineptitude.

So my question is... is it possible to download game logs and study the games move by move, so I can see how top players are approaching the game?
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Mouldy Banana
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On boardgamearena.com you can look at past games (anybody's, not just your own), go through it step by step. But BGA only have the original version of TTA and I don't think you can download the game logs.
 
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Hi Marco

I recommend that it is too much to do for now. There really are three seperate games, one per age.

Early (Age A, I and the start of Age II) are about setup
Mid (until early Age III) are about establishing your endagame
Late (Age III/IV) are about those final points

I would recommend focusing on just the early game until you get that sorted. The best way to do that is to look on, say, turn 8 at the status of the board.

Look at spare smileys, yellow pop, science, income on all tracks, military, potential military, and yellow cards in hand.

In midgame - look at potential to score OR potential to conquer

Don't bother looking at Age III if you are being beaten by so much - you were probably beaten in Age I or Age II already.
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mouldybanana wrote:
On boardgamearena.com you can look at past games (anybody's, not just your own), go through it step by step. But BGA only have the original version of TTA and I don't think you can download the game logs.
But mind you, the "undo" action (taking back all your turn) breaks the replay. Try much older games. According to the bug reports, pressing "ESC" works.
 
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Yes, you can find these on BGO. Click 'Games' -> 'Finished games', and you'll be able to search for any game by player name. Use one of the top players' names to find all their games. Then select a game to look at, and from within that game click 'Play' -> 'View game journal'. Ta-da! The format is a bit clunky, but all the info is there.
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Who are some top players?
 
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Muemmelmann wrote:
Who are some top players?


That is a more difficult question.

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Muemmelmann wrote:
Who are some top players?


I would say look at the games of people who beat you. If they lose a lot to others, then look at THEM, and so on.

With any luck, there will be a rock-paper-scissors loop of players, so that you can find someone who has a strategy similar to your way of thinking, only executed better.
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Marco MacDaddy
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Thanks for the replies so far, keep em coming.

I know about the 'journal' feature on BGO, but it just gives a text output of the moves people made. While interesting, it doesn't give the crucial information of the card row at the time. I can't get a good feel for why someone is spending 3 civil actions on 'Joan of Arc' (I haven't seen anyone do this but for example) unless I can see the card row and their board state. Even if I set up my physical copy so I could track their board with some extreme effort, I still couldn't see the card row. Without that info I have very little to go on regarding why people made the decisions they did given the dynamic game-state.

I'm not on BGA, but I don't want to practice on old TTA anyway. I find the changes significant enough between versions that I have to stick to just one to have any chance of 'getting good'.

So... unless I'm wrong then there is pretty much NO way to view previous games if I insist on seeing the card row (and I do).

I hope I'm wrong.
 
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Chris Maloof

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You're not wrong! What you might do is, when someone trounces you on BGO, ask if they'll do a rematch where you discuss strategy along the way in the chat. I've had people do that with me before, and now they beat me as often as not.
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It's hard to get the full picture from the logs because you don't know the card row available.

I usually discuss strategy/turns during the game as well as at the end. It's fun to chat


If you want to plan out a better strategy, I would look at the strategy forum here. Focus on each age and getting a good idea of what you want to do. There are different goals depending if you plan to win through military, through culture gain, or through impact cards and things can be different between player counts.
 
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Muemmelmann wrote:
Who are some top players?


Let me shorten everyone's search just a bit. I'm not one of them.
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