Matt Asendorf
United States
Arizona
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My friend and I decided to play a game to 65 points instead of the usual 100. Before my friend took his turn, our scores were 59 and 63. The board was closed so my friend was forced to spin a card that resulted in a pop. The only legal move available to him simultaneously popped a "Mimmoth" worth 3 points and a "Jagermonster." The latter card says to pop one "Soldier" and put the "Jagermonster" (5 points) in the opponent's score pad. The only remaining "Soldier" on the board was another "Jagermonster." So, my friend gave himself 3 points and me 10. That brings our scores to 69 and 66. Who won?
The rules suggest a person checks his score at the end of his turn after drawing cards, but the rules ALSO say a person can win at any time. That means I could have won even though it was not my turn. I think I won because if we follow the alphabetical rule, "Jagermonsters" pop before "Mimmoths." That means my friend puts the 10 points in my score pad before he gets his 3. I reached the finish line first. Right?
And here's another question. The "Mimmoth" card moves other "Mimmoths" from one score pad to the other. I didn't have any in my score pad, but what if I did. Let's say I had one "Mimmoth" in my score pad. I am given 10 points by the "Jagermonsters." I have 69 points. He scores 3 for a total of 66. Now, he steals a "Mimmoth" from me and we both have 66. Is the game a draw? Or, again, because I reached 65 first due the alphabetical rule, am I still the winner despite this last second point-thievery?
EDIT: One other question regarding the alphabetical rule. It says "Read the words as written. 'Dr' is treated as D-R not D-O-C-T-O-R." Okay, but which would go first in this situation: "The Unstoppable Higgs" or "Thundering Engine Woman." Most of the time when alphabetizing, you ignore the "The" therefore "Unstoppable Higgs" would be popped second. But the rules say "read the words as written" which makes me think I should break it down T-H-E versus T-H-U and actually pop Higgs first. Thoughts?
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Gary Pressler
United States
West Lafayette
Indiana
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This is just my interpretation, so James Ernest may disagree.
"May win at any time" sounds instantaneous to me. I don't know if we've ever had two people able to hit 100 on the same turn, and if we did, my on-the-spot ruling probably would have been for highest score. However, I think you are correct that as soon as one player's score pile breaches 100 (or 65 in your case), they win. If there are other cards to resolve such as a stampeding Mimmoth, too bad. (A win by a dirigble or submarine is most certainly immediate, since that is part of resolving the card's effect.)
Yes, "The" is the first word of the card title and counts towards alphabetical order.
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Jamie Collins
United Kingdom
SIDMOUTH
Devon
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I think the strict interpretation is that you won. Now, I always play to win (except with the kids) but I also enjoy good game-play generally, so I'm pretty sure I'd be happy to negotiate a draw (or a rematch, if ultimately generating a victor is a requirement for you) if I was either player in a game such as yours.
[FWIW we always play to 100 with two players and we've only ever had one really close game: I don't remember all the details but I recall only point limitation option was to force a frozen board but I still lost after the reshuffle (also had a game were each player legally had a Mimmoth in their score pile...) I guess I came away with the notion that a close game makes the end result more random. This is one of the reasons we play to 100. Another is that I once popped eight cards, scoring 45 points in the process. Playing to 100 seems to be just right to ensure that the game is won by an average margin of around 20 points. Obviously, longer games make the alternative winning strategies (submarine strategy, dirigible strategy, pest strategy, etc) more viable. Sure, 100 point games can take an hour or more but we really find this game fun and we don't mind 'storing' a game at an appropriate time (e.g. board reshuffle).]
I'm pretty sure that 'Higgs' pops before 'Engine Woman' in the scenario you describe.
Jamie.
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Todd McCorkle
United States
Anderson
Indiana
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How did you get 2 mimmoths in separate score piles? I can't think of how that would happen...
concerning the OP's question, I agree with the others. There's no 'score checking phase' or anything. You technically recheck the score any time a card gets added, however it seldom matters unless the game is about to end and it saves time if you wait to check your score when the other player is taking their turn. With the timing of the jagermonsters (and a few other cards), they go into an opponents score pile immediately while the cards you are popping and following the directions of don't hit your score pile until you are done with all the directions. If the 5pts from the jagermonsters puts the opponent at 100 (or whatever), they win regardless of what your score is when you finish your turn.
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Jamie Collins
United Kingdom
SIDMOUTH
Devon
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kusinohki wrote: How did you get 2 mimmoths in separate score piles? I can't think of how that would happen...
Imagine a two player game where my score pile comprises two Mimmouths only and you pop a card telling you to *move* a card (i.e. you do not pop it) from another player's score pile to your own. My point wasn't so much that such a scenario is possible, rather than such a situation actually arose in reality (and that gaining a single Mimmouth was the best available move!)
[I really should get around to writing an article on my experiences with this game, which I still rate as a ten, probably on the theme of dispelling popular misconceptions e.g. if really were 'more a toy than a game' then why won't my kids play *with* it much but will suggest moves when they see it being played  ?]
Jamie.
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Todd McCorkle
United States
Anderson
Indiana
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oof. You're going to make me look through the deck. I don't remember any cards that 'move a card from another player's score pile to your own'. I know of a couple of 'move a blah (hero/villain/spark/clank) from your hand to your score pile' but the mimmoths don't apply to any of them. There's also a couple of 'draw a card from an opponent's score pile' but that just puts the card into your hand...
Now I'm itching for a game and realizing it's been a while since I've played. GG:TW is one of my favorite 2 player games. It's also partly responsible for starting me reading the comics.
(apologies to the OP for thread hijacking)
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Jamie Collins
United Kingdom
SIDMOUTH
Devon
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kusinohki wrote: oof. I don't remember any cards that 'move a card from another player's score pile to your own'.
My bad, I was remembering wrong. I can't reproduce a situation where Mimmouths can legally end up in more than one player's score pile.
[I was indeed remembering a situation involving Mimmouths but was much less interesting: other guy had popped multiple cards, one of which was a Mimmouth but hadn't yet followed its action because other cards took effect first, one of which meant I got to pop a card and the best I could do was pop a Mimmouth, knowing that when the other guy popped his Mimmouth it would be mine no more -- something like that, anyhow.]
I'm just glad my misstatement rekindled your interest in this neat little game. Hey, did you ever "Pop one vampire"? I have and, again, because it was the best available move, rather than to be able to brag about it
I too started reading the online comics (for free!) after playing GG:TW (game contains potential spoilers for the comic) but lost interest when the 'steampunk' theme degenerated IMO into 'magic'. This is certainly the game for which I would most want to see expansions and at least the comics would provide ample material.
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Tyler
United States
Burlington
Vermont
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jamieuk wrote: Hey, did you ever "Pop one vampire"? I have and, again, because it was the best available move, rather than to be able to brag about it
Can I ask how you pulled that off? I remember noticing at one point that the only Vampire in the deck was the vampire hunter herself.
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Gary Pressler
United States
West Lafayette
Indiana
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DrFaust wrote: jamieuk wrote: Hey, did you ever "Pop one vampire"? I have and, again, because it was the best available move, rather than to be able to brag about it Can I ask how you pulled that off? I remember noticing at one point that the only Vampire in the deck was the vampire hunter herself.
James Ernest did this to win a game once. (I think the rules mention this.) One of the cards says to follow the instructions on a face-up card (without popping it). He chose to follow "Pop one Vampire." From that, he popped the Vampire Hunter, because "Vampire" appears in her/his name and words in the card name count as traits.
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Posted Sat Jan 5, 2008 7:22 am
