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The end of nuBSG was pretty weak as well.

Did Heroes ever end? I lost interest some time during the second season and never really got back into it.


As did everyone else...


The thing that irked me most about that show is it seemed like someone had a brilliant and entertaining idea, to which the studio promptly found a room full of chimps to write the scripts.


I think what really did the show in was that the creators only planned out the storyline of the first season in advance.

I've heard the original plan was to have a whole new cast each season, but then the show became so popular that they felt like they had to bring everyone back, even though they had no idea where to go from there.

More proof that shows should stick to their original vision and not try and cater to expectations or unnecessarily prolong a show's run.


Yeah, the problem is their idea was all about people LEARNING they have powers, so then they weren't sure what to do with them after then learning bit is over.

I'm just hoping that the same problem doesn't happen with Once Upon a Time. That is the only show I'm keep up with the current season on (thanks to Hulu).
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Yeah. I got so disappointed in Heroes that I never wanted to run another game based on it. And that's sad because my first one was pretty well received.


That game was bloody amazing. That was the reason I checked out the show actually.

I'd love to see another game like that with the bad guys having a secret goal that no one knows, and all kinds of different things going on behind the scenes.
 
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The end of nuBSG was pretty weak as well.

Did Heroes ever end? I lost interest some time during the second season and never really got back into it.


As did everyone else...


The thing that irked me most about that show is it seemed like someone had a brilliant and entertaining idea, to which the studio promptly found a room full of chimps to write the scripts.


I think what really did the show in was that the creators only planned out the storyline of the first season in advance.

I've heard the original plan was to have a whole new cast each season, but then the show became so popular that they felt like they had to bring everyone back, even though they had no idea where to go from there.

More proof that shows should stick to their original vision and not try and cater to expectations or unnecessarily prolong a show's run.


Which is exactly the opposite of how many TV producers think. I suppose that's why so many shows fail, even ones that seem epic.


True, but there are exceptions. I think HBO shows typically sticks with their visions and follow through on them. Breaking Bad clearly seems to be following through on its vision as well.

Network TV isn't so good with this, which is part of the reason I don't watch many network shows.
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I think what really did the show in was that the creators only planned out the storyline of the first season in advance.

I've heard the original plan was to have a whole new cast each season, but then the show became so popular that they felt like they had to bring everyone back, even though they had no idea where to go from there.


Yeah, I heard the same. I imagine the first-season finale would have been very different if they hadn't been forced to keep nearly everyone around for the second season.

And later on, Jeph Loeb happened.
 
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More proof that shows should stick to their original vision and not try and cater to expectations or unnecessarily prolong a show's run.


Anyone watch the Mentalist? The first episode of the latest season seemed to me to be a very obvious patch-up job, probably because the network didn't like what happened at the end of the previous season and they were forced to bring it back to the status quo instead of it just finishing or swerving off somewhere different.

Also, apparently the original series bible for nuBSG was full of the writers' ideas for story ideas and twists...which they'd used up by the end of season two.
 
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Obviously, the "grown-up chocolate" comment was a joke. Actually, it's a ripped-off joke from a friend of mine, but one that actually changed my eating forever. Our families were at a Disney buffet together years ago and I'd come back to the table with breaded chicken, like chicken fingers. My friend had skinless baked chicken and when he saw mine he said, "you should try the grown-up chicken." Sure enough, looking around, all the kids had the chicken fingers.

I realized that I ate like a child. Few vegetables, sugary sauces, cookies, candy, processed foods, breaded chicken, things always with bread or wrapped in tortillas, donuts, pizza, ice cream, and on and on. It's like it all hit me at once. Here I was, a grown man, behaving like a child.

I knew that in order to get successfully and healthily into old age, I was going to have to grow up and be responsible in my diet. My wife's father had a heart attack young mostly from eating indulgently like this and my wife's mother died from a heart attack. And we had basically inherited my wife's family's eating habits. I did not want to be in my 60s trying to adopt a new, healthier diet. I just wanted to be healthy the whole time. Besides I was already feeling the effects of poor diet: sluggish, anxious, unfit, lazy, overweight.

Since then, I have made a conscious effort to revamp my diet. At first I would think things like, I just don't like most vegetables. But tastes can be changed. I found that my tastes were ruined by shitty food. Once I cut out the crap and made whole grains, fruits, and vegetables the core of my diet, I found that I preferred the taste of good food. Before it was like settling for porn instead of true love. Shitty food sells you short and ruins your taste.

Now, I do eat almost all of those things I mentioned. But I eat them rarely and when I do, I either fully enjoy the little bit I had or I realize that I never want to eat this disgusting thing again.

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I believe all children should "eat like adults". As you said, it's much healthier. (and tastier as well if you're willing to try "new" things)


This is a whole 'nother point of contention. I'm tired of everyone, EVERYONE, giving my kids shit to eat. Children cannot go a day without their school, their scouts, the church, the community center, whatever your kids are involved in... they cannot go a day without someone giving them donuts, cookies, cake, and candy. Every event I take my children to, they get "treats." It really annoys me that other parents, teachers, leaders, etc. don't even think about this at all. They just give more shit.

Then, along the same lines, restaurant's children menus. No matter what restaurant you go to, here are the kids options: hamburger, grilled cheese, chicken fingers, or quesadilla. And as a side, you can get fries or over-boiled, mushy, disgusting vegetables (carrots and mushy broccoli).

No wonder it is such a pain in the ass to get kids to eat right. It's like no one is even trying, despite all the outrage about childhood obesity.

And if you buck at all, everyone is like, lighten up, let the kid have a cookie. And I'm like, I did. She's had 4 this weekend and ice cream and 2 donuts, and a candy bar.

Sorry, I'm getting worked up. Indulgent gluttony really gets to goo. It really, really bothers me.
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This is a whole 'nother point of contention.


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I think Dexter is a really good example of a show that completely changed everything to keep the show running and popular for as long as possible.

The first two seasons it felt really innovative and unpredictable. Then starting with season 3 they started this set formula where each season introduces a new big bad and then kills them off. Repeat ad nauseum.

There's been some little deviations here and there, but for the most part it just seems like formulaic crap nowadays. Particularly for the past 2 seasons.

And the show started off so damn good. It makes Funk sad.
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Yeah. I got so disappointed in Heroes that I never wanted to run another game based on it. And that's sad because my first one was pretty well received.


You could always rerun the first one.


It would seriously take me less than a nano-second to decide to sign up for that.
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More proof that shows should stick to their original vision and not try and cater to expectations or unnecessarily prolong a show's run.


Anyone watch the Mentalist? The first episode of the latest season seemed to me to be a very obvious patch-up job, probably because the network didn't like what happened at the end of the previous season and they were forced to bring it back to the status quo instead of it just finishing or swerving off somewhere different.

Also, apparently the original series bible for nuBSG was full of the writers' ideas for story ideas and twists...which they'd used up by the end of season two.


I can't stand that show. The main character is supposed to be brilliant, but just walks around acting like a forced cool-guy stereotype. Slightly less interesting than watching paint dry.
 
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The end of nuBSG was pretty weak as well.

Did Heroes ever end? I lost interest some time during the second season and never really got back into it.


Not of its own free will. It did 4 (5) seasons and then was cancelled.

 
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I think Dexter is a really good example of a show that completely changed everything to keep the show running and popular for as long as possible.

The first two seasons it felt really innovative and unpredictable. Then starting with season 3 they started this set formula where each season introduces a new big bad and then kills them off. Repeat ad nauseum.

There's been some little deviations here and there, but for the most part it just seems like formulaic crap nowadays. Particularly for the past 2 seasons.

And the show started off so damn good. It makes Funk sad.


I have to say thought the last season's finale cliffhanger was just fucking brilliant. I can't wait to see what's going to happen.

For the rest I do agree with you.

However I could live with having to watch Michael C. Hall an hour a week even if he doesn't do anything. whistle


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I thought that should've happened in the previous season finale, and delaying it made that season even more worthless. So when it finally happened in the last one was more like "finally!" instead of actually being shocked.


psst. Michael C. Hall is also a main character in SFU, so if you want to see more of him go watch that!
 
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Okay, I ate an apple and some carrots and have calmed down.

Sorry for the rant.

I'm feeling the love again. God bless anyone who is kind enough to give my children a little something sweet. I know they have good intentions and just want the children to savor life's sweetness. It's not anyone else's job to nourish my child.

Carry on and be excellent, bros.
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Oh, and after the season 4 finale I felt the same way you do now, Snaak. I was like "Yes, this could be the event that finally breaks the show out of the formula and gets it back to how it use to be! All dark and interesting and unpredictable!" But then they wrap up Rita's death in one freaking episode and have their worst season ever.

So now my faith in the show is just completely shot. I'm interested in seeing how they'll handle it, but I don't have any faith left that it's going to be done really well.
 
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Okay, I ate an apple and some carrots and have calmed down.

Sorry for the rant.

I'm feeling the love again. God bless anyone who is kind enough to give my children a little something sweet. I know they have good intentions and just want the children to savor life's sweetness. It's not anyone else's job to nourish my child.

Carry on and be excellent, bros.


No need to apologize. I found the rant really entertaining and could see where you were coming from.
 
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I know, but what I found so good about it is not just the obvious part but also the fact that Debs was going to tell Dex about the big thing she has been struggling with. It could make for a brilliant combination. In fact Debs could 'force' Dex into 'something with her' by promising she will keep his secret. That would be so awesomely controversial. It might be unprecedented in American prime time TV.


More Dexter spoilers.

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Oh ... I actually forgot about the Deb being in love with Dexter thing. Yeah, I didn't like that so much. Where the hell did that come from? I never saw any signs of that ever.

Also the Sixth Sense thing from the last season really annoyed me after I figured it out, and they kept it going for so long afterward.
 
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Oh, and after the season 4 finale I felt the same way you do now, Snaak. I was like "Yes, this could be the event that finally breaks the show out of the formula and gets it back to how it use to be! All dark and interesting and unpredictable!" But then they wrap up Rita's death in one freaking episode and have their worst season ever.

So now my faith in the show is just completely shot. I'm interested in seeing how they'll handle it, but I don't have any faith left that it's going to be done really well.


I felt exactly the same. And it was certainly unpredictable. I must have seen all of the ending credits after that episode, just because I was shocked.


Dude, I paced around my apartment going "Oh my god ... oh my god ... oh my god ..." for like 5 minutes. I don't think I've ever been as shocked by a television series.

That was probably the last great Dexter episode, IMO.
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Gelatinous Goo wrote:
Okay, I ate an apple and some carrots and have calmed down.

Sorry for the rant.

I'm feeling the love again. God bless anyone who is kind enough to give my children a little something sweet. I know they have good intentions and just want the children to savor life's sweetness. It's not anyone else's job to nourish my child.

Carry on and be excellent, bros.


My mother in law watches my son during the day. There was a period when 2-3 times a week I'd come home from work and see a McDonald's bag on the table. I don't have wonderful eating habits but we're at least good about fast food, but I didn't know how to bring it up without being aggressive. Mostly because I probably would have approached it as "hey stop feeding my kid so much crap!" I'm not sure if my wife talked to her or she stopped on her own, but that doesn't seem to happen much anymore.

Does anyone do CSAs? We did a vegetable one three years ago and it was so-so, then last year we did a fruit and it was great, and the vegetables they had looked wonderful too. So this year we're doing both and with any luck we'll be eating mostly locally grown fruits and vegetables. I also have a grand idea of baking our own bread, but I know I always overextend myself and a month in we're wasting at least some of it. It will be better this time, right?
 
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Just pointing out the obvious here, but the Lost finale was perhaps the most disappointing of all time.


The Lost finale as a series finale wasn't terrible - it did a good job of including a bunch of characters and pulling back in old storylines and really letting you reconnect with the feelings you had for each character - but what it revealed was that the entire last season was a bunch of filler nonsense that had wasted our time. The fact that they didn't wrap up any of the mysteries and that the explanations they DID give didn't make any sense hurt too - but that wasn't the finale's fault - it was the entire storyline leading up to that one show that's to blame.

Same thing with BSG - interesting enough ending point, but the storytelling to get there went off the rails so that the ending didn't match the story they'd been telling.

But you know what show showed great promise before going off the rails? Alias. First season was just great. It wasn't high drama - had plenty of corny moments - but it knew what it was, and embraced it. Female James Bond. Action, spycraft, gadgets, but also friends and 20-something career and family angst. Cheesy, and really shouldn't have worked, but it did. Season 2 dropped in quality somewhat, but was still good. Season 3 they said "WTF lets try something different" - and it was so bad that at the beginning of season 4 they essentially started out and just ignored huge chunks of plotline from 3.

 
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Gelatinous Goo wrote:
Okay, I ate an apple and some carrots and have calmed down.

Sorry for the rant.

I'm feeling the love again. God bless anyone who is kind enough to give my children a little something sweet. I know they have good intentions and just want the children to savor life's sweetness. It's not anyone else's job to nourish my child.

Carry on and be excellent, bros.


My mother in law watches my son during the day. There was a period when 2-3 times a week I'd come home from work and see a McDonald's bag on the table. I don't have wonderful eating habits but we're at least good about fast food, but I didn't know how to bring it up without being aggressive. Mostly because I probably would have approached it as "hey stop feeding my kid so much crap!" I'm not sure if my wife talked to her or she stopped on her own, but that doesn't seem to happen much anymore.

Does anyone do CSAs? We did a vegetable one three years ago and it was so-so, then last year we did a fruit and it was great, and the vegetables they had looked wonderful too. So this year we're doing both and with any luck we'll be eating mostly locally grown fruits and vegetables. I also have a grand idea of baking our own bread, but I know I always overextend myself and a month in we're wasting at least some of it. It will be better this time, right?


Grandparents are the worst offenders. My parents wouldn't let me eat the crap they feed my kids. My daughter has literally thrown up after coming home from grandma's. It's like a diabetic test kitchen in there.

There's something about that generation that refuses to eat healthy and they insist on enforcing their bad eating habits on our children's generation.

And I do get a CSA box. I get a mix of fruit and veggies. Lately, they keep giving me chard and I'm not sure what I want to do with it.
 
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Does anyone do CSAs? We did a vegetable one three years ago and it was so-so, then last year we did a fruit and it was great, and the vegetables they had looked wonderful too. So this year we're doing both and with any luck we'll be eating mostly locally grown fruits and vegetables. I also have a grand idea of baking our own bread, but I know I always overextend myself and a month in we're wasting at least some of it. It will be better this time, right?


We just started a CSA here - got a great program with enough interest that the drop-off is actually my workplace. I've got to learn how to cook bok choi, but everything else we're already putting to use. The CSA is actually fruits and vegetables, but it's vegetable season right now.

I love baking bread - i use the bread machine and will bake a loaf on sunday afternoon to use for sandwiches that week. I've got a great rye bread recipe, and a knock-off recipe for the rosemary bread they serve at Macaroni Grill- have to be carefull with that one because we will eat all of it that I bake in one sitting.
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Gelatinous Goo wrote:
Okay, I ate an apple and some carrots and have calmed down.

Sorry for the rant.

I'm feeling the love again. God bless anyone who is kind enough to give my children a little something sweet. I know they have good intentions and just want the children to savor life's sweetness. It's not anyone else's job to nourish my child.

Carry on and be excellent, bros.


When I was a child I had a pretty healthy diet. We lived on several acres in the middle of the country with my family and we grew everything we ate. We bought half a cow and half a pig from the local farmers when the freezer ran low on meat. We had goats for milk(i was allergic to cows milk). I had a flock of ducks that at one point reached over 100 and we had eggs and that was our "chicken". and we grew TONS of fruit and vegetables. There was an asparagus patch, grape vines, cherry, peach and apple treas. We tried a pear tree but it didn't like our climate. We grew watermelons, lettuce, corn, tomatoes(even taught my dog how to sniff out tomatoe worms on the vines and eat them. gross but effective), beans, beats, etc. We ate fresh in the summer, our own canned in teh winter and lots of calories were worked off hauling water and weeding. The only produce we really ever bought were oranges and lemons because we werent in the right climate for those, and lettuce in the winter.

As an adult i have the WORST eating habits. i hate growing things now because i did it so much as a kid. i even hate having a potted plant indoors that I have to water. and i love french fries which i never got as a child. never. it's so backwards. i had an adult eating childhood and now i am having a child eating adulthood.

*sigh* I wish i was more grownup.
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I liked Alias a lot regardless of all of it's faults. It was just so quirky and endearing and it had very interesting characters.

My wife was a huge fan. Never got into it myself.
 
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I liked Alias a lot regardless of all of it's faults. It was just so quirky and endearing and it had very interesting characters.

My wife was a huge fan. Never got into it myself.


i fully acknowledge it wasn't a good show. still watched the whole thing. and enjoyed it.
 
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