David Ashleydale
United States
Oakland
California
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What happens when more than one player has played an Espionage card (#25) before a particular scoring round? The card says that the player gets to wait for everyone else to place their caballeros from the Castillo before deciding where to place his. But if there are two players with Espionages, which one of them has to place their caballeros first?
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Berthold Nüchter
Germany
Duisburg
NRW
I am the walrus
checkpoint
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This can not happen because players are not allowed to play cards with the same number. So it is impossible that two identical cards are played in the same round.
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Robert Canner
United Kingdom
London
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By my reading of the rules, this can happen.
Consider a 5-player example:-- In round 1, Player A plays an Espionage card (so nobody else can play one in round 1). But in round 2, Player B plays an Espionage card. Then in round 3, Player C plays one. At this point 3 players have played Espionage cards. Now there is a General Scoring. Presumably players D and E should use the secret disk as usual, to specify where their caballeros go. But what about players A, B and C?
So I think David's question is justified (although I don't know the answer).
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David Ashleydale
United States
Oakland
California
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Yes, that was the situation I was talking about.
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Berthold Nüchter
Germany
Duisburg
NRW
I am the walrus
checkpoint
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I agree, I was wrong. Now I have thought about it and have recognized that there are no rules for this situation. Espionage seems to be the only card with this problem.
I have ideas for a rule.
- You could use the order of the last round before the scoring round. This would require that the last cards remain visible.
- You could use the order of the current victory points ranking.
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Robert Canner
United Kingdom
London
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OK, here's another idea for a rule: Anyone who plays Espionage when no-one else has, moves their caballeros last. Anyone who plays a 2nd Espionage card, moves their caballeros next-to-last. Anyone who plays a 3rd one, moves their caballeros third-from-last.
So in my example, D & E would use their secret disks. Then C would move their caballeros, then B, then A would go last.
With this approach, when A played the 1st Espionage, he would know he was buying the right to move last. When B considered whether to play a 2nd Espionage, she would know she could only buy the right to go next-to-last. If B didn't think that was worthwhile, she could always play a different card.
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