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Nuno Gonzalez
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I like the "Numismatic" appearence of the pices in this game. They add a new flavour of the period to the Game.

My only question is: why Octavian and Brutus? (I can understand Cleopatra/Egypt in abstract terms).

In the context of the five years of war represented in this game both (Octavian/Brutus) are ahistorical. I think Labienus or Decimus Brutus made better choices.



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Brutus did at least stand with Pompeii against Caesar at Pharsalus. It's hard to see Octavian as a military leader, though, regardless of time period.
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Maybe it should be the Octavian/Agrippa block.
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Agrippa would have been a good choice.
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Agree with Sphere, they didn't quite get agrippa things.

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you know, from a broader perspective, it seems with JC CG decided to fill the game with the romanish fancy stuff for average customers more than follow the hystory buffs' way. It's arguable, but I can understand them from a commercial point of view (in general, Octavian is far more famous than Agrippa as Mars recalls the average roman imaginary more than testudo or manipular tactics or consular elections)

ps. agree the numismatic appearance is a very nice and innovative take!
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cicciburicci wrote:
you know, from a broader perspective, it seems with JC CG decided to fill the game with the romanish fancy stuff for average customers more than follow the hystory buffs' way. It's arguable, but I can understand them from a commercial point of view (in general, Octavian is far more famous than Agrippa as Mars recalls the average roman imaginary more than testudo or manipular tactics or consular elections)

ps. agree the numismatic appearance is a very nice and innovative take!

I don't think that having an Octavian block instead of an Agrippa would have had any measurable impact on sales. Yes, more people would recognize it immediately (and miss the opportunity to learn something), but the decision to purchase wouldn't hinge on that. It seems more likely to me that the designers themselves, at least collectively, lack a deep understanding of the period. (I don't doubt that Justin researched Caesar's campaigns and battles).
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Brought over from another post I made earlier!


Personally I am very pleased with the final leaders we ended up with. Brutus and Octavian were bit players in this war so we don't let you put them into play until one of our other Leaders dies. Think about that and you will see they could have been pressed into service if needed but for the most part they were in the back ground of this war.

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I have thought about it, Justin. That's my difficulty in a nutshell.
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Sphere wrote:
Brutus did at least stand with Pompeii against Caesar at Pharsalus. It's hard to see Octavian as a military leader, though, regardless of time period.


It's hard for me to think of Brutus on the same side as Antony when the two fought against each other at Battle of Philippi. This battle resulted in Brutus' death.

Octavian makes more sense to me, but Brutus needs replacing imho. You can't have Antony and Brutus together. You just can't.

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Technically speaking, Brutus and Octavian did butt heads at Philippi, so Justin could make a case based on that, despite the fact that neither were known as soldiers. I think there are better choices available, but this is in no way a big deal for me (it's the god cards that wind me up).
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In the context of the Civil War presented in the Columbia Game (49BC-45BC) Brutus is military insignificant - just one of the many nobles in the Pompeian retinue; after Pharsalus, he just take side with Caesar. In this phase he have no role, military speaking.

Titus Labienus was another history; he was the most capable of Caesar lieutnants in the Gallic War and after that his most ferocious enemy (Dyrrachium, Pharsalus, Ruspina, Thapsus and Munda).

Octavianus and Agrippa have no role in the first Triunvirate War.

Perhaps ColumbiaGames publish another scenario for the second Triuvirate war ?.. like HotS with Braveheart and Bruce ;-)

In the philosophy and perspective of the Block Games the leader pieces represent a wide number of factors: military prowess, escorts, artillery, HQs, historical efficiency, etc, etc.
in this context I can visualize three Blocks/Teams - 1)Antonius/Octavianus, 2)Brutus/Cassius, 3)Octavianus/Agrippa.

and IMO each one a A3 !

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With your user name, I'd think you'd give an extra point to Agrippa.
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More generals....Labieno and Agrippa....Good Idea
 
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