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Corey Clark
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are there any decent abstracts where players draw from the same pile of pieces?
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Boche is an awesome game where players share the same set of pieces.



[edit: I'd be more than happy to play someone at http://www.gamerz.net/pbmserv/List.php?Boche my screen name is dshultz.]
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ZÈRTZ is a fantastic abstract game where the players share a common set of marbles, and play on a shrinking board.

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Néstor Romeral Andrés
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CoreyClark wrote:
players draw from the same pile of pieces?


I like that concept so much that I've designed a couple of games about it:

TAIJI



and Hexellation



I hope this helps

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I have a tile laying game called Wend-edge, where the players draw from a common pool of tiles. Tiles must be played in the same orientation as it is in the pool, and on your turn you play a tile, and then fiddle with the orientation of some of the tiles in the pool to mess up the options of the next few players.

Wend-edge is not quite on the geek yet, but it has been in the new games queue for a few days, so it will not be long. Rules and tiles are on a drop.io website: http://drop.io/Wend_Game.
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Quarto! fits your criteria.

Players do share the same set of pieces but the twist is that your opponent chooses which piece you will play. I like the game and find it easy to teach but tricky to establish a winning strategy.



(I know it looks like each player would play the pieces of their color, but the colors are not specific to any one player.)
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Ingenious

Stephensons Rocket - This has a thin railroad theme to it, but it is really an abstract game and has no luck or randomness in it.













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mhowe wrote:
Trax

Another vote for Trax, Hexellation, Taiji, and another one I really like, Palago. I own sets of all four and think they are each great in different ways.
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Trax and Palago and Quarto! immediately came to my mind as well.

Martian Chess is an interesting case... do the players share the pieces but only get to control pieces on their side of the board? Or do the players own the pieces, but ownership changes hands? It goes to show that concepts we take for granted are not always so clear-cut.

Also:
Linkage
Tic Tac Doh!
Volcano
Coin Clusters if you'll permit continuous space instead of discrete positions
and many more I'm not thinking of at the moment
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Does Boxes fit?
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Zickzack wrote:
Does Boxes fit?


I guess technically it does even though you could argue pieces are placed in the squares to designate ownership. I think I may have asked the question. I actually play Taiji and was aware of Boche and other games of that sort. I think the real question I had in mind when making this topic was games where neither player is a particular color. So Hexelation, Martian Chess and Zerts are good examples. But, what the heck, it's still an interesting discussion.
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Please check out

Odd


The name of this game has since been changed to"Odd".

I've designed lots of "shared pieces" games, and this one has held up really well. If you try it, let me know what you think of it.
 
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CoreyClark wrote:
Zickzack wrote:
Does Boxes fit?


I guess technically it does even though you could argue pieces are placed in the squares to designate ownership.

For me, Boxes fits because marking ownership is just mandatory bookkeeping, not a player action per se. I don't think of the ownership mark as being a player piece, since usually a player piece is something that you actually use actively to do stuff in the game, rather than just be a score marker.

But yes, this goes to show how even seemingly simple concepts and definitions can be murky.
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There are a lot of Nim and stacking strategy games where players share the same pieces, and some of those are really fast and excellent games. Check out the rules for Alchemy, which is played with Symbol pieces, and is a great example of a fascinating and fun game where both players manipulate the same set of pieces.
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davidestall wrote:
ZÈRTZ is a fantastic abstract game where the players share a common set of marbles, and play on a shrinking board.



Sadly, ZÈRTZ doesn't meet the OP's criteria. It is, as you said, a fantastic abstract game. He's only looking for decent games, apparently...

Just posting this to second the recommendation, Zertz is a fantastic game.
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The Icehouse set game Martian Chess lets you only control the pieces on your part of the board. This means whenever you make a capture, you are giving that piece to the other player.

The game ends when one player has no pieces on their side. Then you count points for your captures. Good game, but will make your brain hurt until you get used to the lack of pieces of your color.
 
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How is it that Trax and Palago get mentioned, but not Tantrix?
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karlvonl wrote:
How is it that Trax and Palago get mentioned, but not Tantrix?

A lot of folks don't consider Tantrix an "abstract strategy" game because it has intrinsic luck. You may play smarter but have unlucky draws and lose for that reason. Trax and Palago don't have that issue.
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No-one has mentioned Gyges yet!
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Turnabout

Come to that, Shogi probably qualifies...? In which case, maybe Bughouse Chess.
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russ wrote:
Also:
Linkage
Tic Tac Doh!
Volcano
Coin Clusters if you'll permit continuous space instead of discrete positions
and many more I'm not thinking of at the moment :)


He beat me to mentioning Linkage. But I'll mention it again, as the Nestor Games version should be available soon! :)
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mrraow wrote:

Come to that, Shogi probably qualifies...? In which case, maybe Bughouse Chess.

Nope. You have to capture an opposing piece first before you can use it. Players do not "draw from the same pile of pieces." They have emphatically separate piles of captured pieces. It's the same in bughouse.

When I bought Equations and Wff 'N Proof, I got a freebie: The Meditation Game. Players use the same tokens which they alternately place on a 7x7 grid in an attempt to cover more squares of their color.
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