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Subject: Decent games where players share the same set of pieces? rss

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twixter wrote:
mrraow wrote:

Come to that, Shogi probably qualifies...? In which case, maybe Bughouse Chess.

Nope. You have to capture an opposing piece first before you can use it


However, the OP clarified:
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I think the real question I had in mind when making this topic was games where neither player is a particular color.

... and while I fully expect you to argue that direction is in equivalent to colour, I still think it's worth mentioning this class of games.
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Of possible interest (noticed while looking at what Geeklists Gyges is on - a useful technique in general):
http://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/1514/games-with-shared-pie...
http://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/21354/games-where-everyone...

BTW: another game I know of is Phutball
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russ wrote:
a useful technique in general]


hehe sorry, I guess I posted this topic because it's in the Abstract subdomain and therefore is more relevant to my interest . I don't really care about games of luck with shared pieces or eurogames or games of dexterity etc... I expect I'll have to sift through many of those . Alright if it bothers the denizens of the Abstract subdomain forum, I will not post these topics anymore .
 
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CoreyClark wrote:
russ wrote:
a useful technique in general]


hehe sorry, I guess I posted this topic because it's in the Abstract subdomain and therefore is more relevant to my interest . I don't really care about games of luck with shared pieces or eurogames or games of dexterity etc... I expect I'll have to sift through many of those . Alright if it bothers the denizens of the Abstract subdomain forum, I will not post these topics anymore .

Oh, I wasn't bothered or trying to suggest that your thread topic was inappropriate! Far from it. It's an interesting subject.

I was simply mentioning a useful technique for researching this kind of question on BGG. (I.e. "Game X has interesting property Y; what are some other games with property Y?") I agree that those 2 geeklists I mentioned have all kinds of games, not just abstract, hence I said "of possible interest". There are however some abstracts in them.
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mmm ... "games where neither player is a particular color" is one of my favourite mechanic ! thumbsup

I can add for sure Ricochet Robots and 1 Stein + Co.

(but ... what about Black Box ??)

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I just saw this one mentioned in passing on the Nestor Games continuous games list. Looks interesting: Stop-Gate

This should be a geeklist!
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almo2001 wrote:
He beat me to mentioning Linkage. But I'll mention it again, as the Nestor Games version should be available soon!


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mrraow wrote:
I just saw this one mentioned in passing on the Nestor Games continuous games list. Looks interesting: Stop-Gate

This should be a geeklist!


Playable with a TAIJI set (with the pieces facing down)

 
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manqala games. this is an entire large family of them.
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whac3 wrote:
manqala games. this is an entire large family of them.


I was surprised it took this long for some one to mention this.
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masaakunokouchi wrote:
whac3 wrote:
manqala games. this is an entire large family of them.


I was surprised it took this long for some one to mention this.

I had no idea this was an entire family. I'm ashamed.
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mister lunch wrote:

I had no idea this was an entire family. I'm ashamed.


You are not alone: Mancala games are IMO among the MOST UNDERRATED abstracts here on BGG.
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With Random setups it has a lot going for it!
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I'm not good enough at calculating moves in advance to enjoy any manqala games.
 
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That's what I have to say about Taiji:

Taiji = Tonga + simplified scoring

Probably a plagiarism.
 
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Ralf Gering, what's the point of throwing around plagiarism charges like that? Nestor is here. If you think another game is similar to his, you can ask him.

Even reinvention is quite common with abstract games. I met a guy, unconnected to the abstract games crowd on the net (as Nestor was when he first proposed TAIJI, I believe) who had reinvented Quoridor - without jumping, but surprisingly the game works well anyway.

Plagiarism charges should be based on a lot more than superficial similarity.
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Ralf Gering, what's the point of throwing around plagiarism charges like that? Nestor is here. If you think another game is similar to his, you can ask him.

Even reinvention is quite common with abstract games. I met a guy, unconnected to the abstract games crowd on the net (as Nestor was when he first proposed TAIJI, I believe) who had reinvented Quoridor - without jumping, but surprisingly the game works well anyway.

Plagiarism charges should be based on a lot more than superficial similarity.


The would-be inventor is even from the same country. Don't be naive!
 
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FiveStars wrote:
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Ralf Gering, what's the point of throwing around plagiarism charges like that? Nestor is here. If you think another game is similar to his, you can ask him.

Even reinvention is quite common with abstract games. I met a guy, unconnected to the abstract games crowd on the net (as Nestor was when he first proposed TAIJI, I believe) who had reinvented Quoridor - without jumping, but surprisingly the game works well anyway.

Plagiarism charges should be based on a lot more than superficial similarity.


The would-be inventor is even from the same country. Don't be naive!


By the way, I beg to differ on your recent TAIJI wiki edit, in which you removed the Jugamos Todos award information and replaced it with your opinion about the similarity with Tonga: /wiki/diff/thing:31926:moreinfo/525295/712635 (with the comment: "the award has nothing to do with the game."). On http://www.jugamostodos.org/index.php?option=com_content&tas..., it looks like the award was given to Nestor Romeral Andrès for a number of games, including TAIJI.
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Now that Ralf has resurrected this post (thx Ralf!) I like to add a few more games:

Corporation: Players change the movement rules, that apply to all colours. And players can introduce any colour.



OMEGA: Players have an allocated colour, but place a piece of each colour from a common pool.



Pilus: This one might qualify. Players place tiles form a common pool, but each player has a different 'pawn'.



RED: Players share a common pool, but each one has an allocated colour.



Feed the ducks: Each player has an allocated colour, but all share 1 single special piece - The breadcrumb.




And matching Corey's clarification...

CoreyClark wrote:
I think the real question I had in mind when making this topic was games where neither player is a particular color.


... we have this beautiful abstract:

Topology



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I hope this helps.


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Yodd and Xodd qualify.
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Though a very light game, Tiki Topple is fun to play, and everyone has an identical set of cards to move the common playing pieces.
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FiveStars wrote:

Taiji = Tonga + simplified scoring

Probably a plagiarism.

It sure looks like plagiarism to me.

Tonga - 2003 - Grupo de los Lunes
http://www.di.fc.ul.pt/~jpn/gv/tonga.htm

Taiji - 2007 - Néstor Romeral Andrés
http://www.iggamecenter.com/info/en/taiji.html

What say you, Nestor?
 
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MarkSteere wrote:
FiveStars wrote:

Taiji = Tonga + simplified scoring

Probably a plagiarism.

It sure looks like plagiarism to me.

Tonga - 2003 - Grupo de los Lunes
http://www.di.fc.ul.pt/~jpn/gv/tonga.htm

Taiji - 2007 - Néstor Romeral Andrés
http://www.iggamecenter.com/info/en/taiji.html

What say you, Nestor?


Again?

Tonga?

I hope this helps.


 
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