James Ridgway
United States
Fairfax
Virginia
How much for the little game in the window?
Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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Tiny Essen and Spielbox giveaways get submitted as "expansions" to games all the time. It seems to me that the old White Dwarf issues that had new rules, tiles, and missions add at least as much value to Space Hulk as any of the micro expansions for modern Euro games that are in the database. More importantly, I'd really like to use BGG to keep track of what is in each issue, which ones I have, and which ones exist that I do not have.
Accordingly, does anyone --- especially a mod who knows more about BGG policies than I do --- have any reasons why I shouldn't start submitting these issues as separate expansions for Space Hulk? I don't want to waste time on this project if the submissions would not be approved, but I think it would be valuable for fans of the game.
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Matthew Vantries
United States
Woodbury
Minnesota
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As long as everybody else is doing it with other games, I say go for it.
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Rob Bradley
United States
Belleville
Wisconsin
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Vetinari wrote: Tiny Essen and Spielbox giveaways get submitted as "expansions" to games all the time. It seems to me that the old White Dwarf issues that had new rules, tiles, and missions add at least as much value to Space Hulk as any of the micro expansions for modern Euro games that are in the database. More importantly, I'd really like to use BGG to keep track of what is in each issue, which ones I have, and which ones exist that I do not have.
Accordingly, does anyone --- especially a mod who knows more about BGG policies than I do --- have any reasons why I shouldn't start submitting these issues as separate expansions for Space Hulk? I don't want to waste time on this project if the submissions would not be approved, but I think it would be valuable for fans of the game.
I submitted a bunch of White Dwarfs to RPGgeek that contained RPG info and asked then whether all White Dwarf's could be submitted and they said at the time that only the ones with RPG info shoudl be.
I dissagree however and I thnk the issues of White Dwarf should be submitted and linked to all appropriate games.
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Colorcrayons
United States
Maplewood
Minnesota
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I think Rob has the right idea. Its not whether portions of the white dwarf should be submitted as an expansion, but that the entire white dwarf should be submitted and then each game to which each issue is relevant should have a link to it.
Ideally anyways.
But to the the matter at hand, Space Hulk Campaigns covers a lot of the WD content. Might be good to research what content is where before making redundant entries.
The main issue of course is content. Just a new entry for each new mission in Citadel Journal, Dragon Magazine and White Dwarf Magazine isnt going to be worth much more than a purely academic note and with the current policy of no file content for gw games, the expansion entry are going to very thin with info indeed.
Add to that, there are over 120 missions ever published for Space hulk between 1st - 3rd ed. How are you going to arrange them so you arent writing 90 some odd entries? By Campaign. By issue? By Mission?
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James Ridgway
United States
Fairfax
Virginia
How much for the little game in the window?
Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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I don't think that it is unusual for promo expansions to later be included in a compilation expansion. The Goodies Expansion for Agricola would be one example. Hence, even if the WD material was later compiled would not be a reason not to list the White Dwarf issues separately.
I think that each White Dwarf issue with relevant content would be listed separately because that is naturally how people would buy/sell/trade them. Some have missions, some have rules, some have components, and some have a combination of the above. I've seen one site that lists 16 White Dwarf issues with such content. That's a significant, but not crazy, number. As a huge Space Hulk fan, I would be interested in tracking how many of these 16 issues I have. (At one point I had most or all of them before I gave all my 1st edition stuff away.) Perhaps there are a lot more. In which case, it might be too much to be practical. That's part of the reason I wanted to discuss this before I invested time in it. I'd appreciate any information
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Berthold Nüchter
Germany
Duisburg
NRW
I am the walrus
checkpoint
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As far as I can see there are no magazines about boardgames in BoardGameGeek. RPGGeek contains magazines about RPGs. This makes it especially difficult how expansions and variants from magazines could be included in BGG.
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John "Omega" Williams
United States
Michigan
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Theres a few dozen games listed that exists only as magazine articles or started thus.
Wreck and Voyage of the BMS Pandora being a great example. (Though Im told Voyage saw a actual release on Poland.) Lots of Dragon Magazine games have entries.
I think its more a desire to cut down on the server clutter and a lack of interest in having too much Games Workshop material in the system that might later need to be taken down or severely neutered as last year.
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James Ridgway
United States
Fairfax
Virginia
How much for the little game in the window?
Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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Just to give two examples, Thurn und Taxis: Der Kurier der Fürstin was a small expansion published in Spielbox that is listed in the BGG database and China Erweiterung was a giveaway at an Essen booth that also has its own separate entry. I'm sure I could find a bunch of other Spielbox promos listed as expansions if I spent five minutes to search.
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Marius Roth
Germany
Near Hamburg
Lower Saxony
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I would only add the Space Hulk stuff if the White Dwarf contained actual cardboard pieces, either pre-cut or punchable. if it is just a scenario with doors that you can copy out of the magazine, I wouldn't upload it as a seperate item but scan it and put it up as a file to the game.
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Ollie Blacklock
United Kingdom
Lymington
Hants
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I would find it very useful.
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United Kingdom
Poole
Dorset
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Not sure if the admins will see this thread, so you might want to GM Skelebone, who is the games submissions moderator:
Scott A. Reed
United States
Lawrence
Kansas
Space. Space. Wannagotospace. Space. What's your favorite thing about space? mine's space.
I just wasted 100 :gg: on this.
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Damo
Australia
Hobart
Tasmania
Plastic & Shiney!
Don't try this in a B-17!
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Berthold wrote: As far as I can see there are no magazines about boardgames in BoardGameGeek. RPGGeek contains magazines about RPGs. This makes it especially difficult how expansions and variants from magazines could be included in BGG.
There are plenty. Check in the wargames section, or look up Moves or The General. Each game that has an article in the magazine has a small section on it's page that lists the magazine, it's issue number and the article name and page.
These are definitly NOT expansions and shouldn't be listed as such.
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James Ridgway
United States
Fairfax
Virginia
How much for the little game in the window?
Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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I don't think that every issue that mentions Space Hulk should be added and I think that issues that have only missions might not be appropriate. However, I do think that issues that have new board sections and other components that were meant to be cut out and assembled might fall into a different category. These seem to be relatively rare and more in line with mini-expansions published in the Spielbox magazine.
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John "Omega" Williams
United States
Michigan
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If a single new card can count as an expansion then I think a whole article with new units or adventures/missions can too.
But again, after the GW backlash of last year. Who knows. If all the GW games pages are still locked down then dont get your hopes up overly.
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Lars Wagner Hansen
Denmark
Sorø
Any time, any place!
Fingers off, that's my car!
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To be included the cards doesn't even have to be proper cards.
Many of the Zooloretto expansions was made in Zooloretto News, and had to be cut from the pamphlet and stuck to cardboard. For example: Zooloretto - The Chameleon or Zooloretto - The Savings Book. Some of the expansions have later been made avaialbe either in proper print or to download from the net.
Zooloretto News had a very limited print run, so most people will have to download from the net, but it still counts as an expansion.
For Talisman you also find the WD expansions as separate entries: Talisman 2nd Edition - White Dwarf #72 Cards, Talisman 2nd Edition - White Dwarf #115 Cards, Talisman 3rd Edition - White Dwarf #177 Characters and a few more.
So I think you should go ahead and enter all the Space Hulk expansions from WD, there is precedence after all.
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James Ridgway
United States
Fairfax
Virginia
How much for the little game in the window?
Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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col_w wrote: Not sure if the admins will see this thread, so you might want to GM Skelebone, who is the games submissions moderator:
Scott A. Reed
United States
Lawrence
Kansas
Space. Space. Wannagotospace. Space. What's your favorite thing about space? mine's space.
I just wasted 100 :gg: on this.
GM'd him yesterday. I'll let you know when I get a response.
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GÜNSTLING
New Zealand
Christchurch
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I just submitted this http://www.gamehobby.net/subject_indexes/subject_space_hulk.... to the links section. It lists all of the Space Hulk content published in GW publications.
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James Ridgway
United States
Fairfax
Virginia
How much for the little game in the window?
Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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That's a great link. I never got a reply to my GM, so I never tried to submit them.
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Joe Norris
United States
Dublin
Ohio
Flight of the seabirds, scattered like lost words, wheel to the storm and fly. Fare thee well now, let your life proceed by it's own design. Nothing to tell now, let the words be yours, I'm done with mine.
To seek the sacred river Alph, to walk the caves of ice, to break my fast on honey dew and drink the milk of paradise... I had heard the whispered tales of immortality, the deepest mystery from an ancient book I took a clue.
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First off, as a fan of Space Hulk, I think that it is great that someone would want to take up this endeavor and add something really significant to the database in supplement to this game.
My only word of caution, and I apologize for bringing up a potentially contention issue, is whether anyone can upload anything from White Dwarf about Space Hulk and not violate the GW request/court order to remove their game content. Obviously this is a question for the admins themselves, but it may be worth asking before you start this project if you intend to upload scans of maps, content, etc.
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James Ridgway
United States
Fairfax
Virginia
How much for the little game in the window?
Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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I wasn't planning on uploading any content. I merely thought it would a handy way for Space Hulk fans to track which issues they owned, wanted, had for sale/trade, etc.
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John "Omega" Williams
United States
Michigan
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You arent uploading SH content even if you wanted to. Check the files section. As of last check its still locked off and isnt likely to be un-locked anytime soon.
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Joe Norris
United States
Dublin
Ohio
Flight of the seabirds, scattered like lost words, wheel to the storm and fly. Fare thee well now, let your life proceed by it's own design. Nothing to tell now, let the words be yours, I'm done with mine.
To seek the sacred river Alph, to walk the caves of ice, to break my fast on honey dew and drink the milk of paradise... I had heard the whispered tales of immortality, the deepest mystery from an ancient book I took a clue.
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Omega2064 wrote: You arent uploading SH content even if you wanted to. Check the files section. As of last check its still locked off and isnt likely to be un-locked anytime soon.
Well, there you have it! Wasn't sure of the status of this from when the original request from GW occurred. Thanks for the update! 
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James Ridgway
United States
Fairfax
Virginia
How much for the little game in the window?
Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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UPDATE: Apparently "publications" will be added as a new item type for the database in the foreseeable future. Accordingly, I'm going to hold off on this project until the White Dwarf issues can be properly created as items of that type.
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Colorcrayons
United States
Maplewood
Minnesota
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Vetinari wrote: UPDATE: Apparently "publications" will be added as a new item type for the database in the foreseeable future. Accordingly, I'm going to hold off on this project until the White Dwarf issues can be properly created as items of that type.
Thats awesome news!
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Jason Woodburn
Norway
Lillehammer
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I think this would be a great resource, James.
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