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Is this really necessary to do? In my opinion, this is misogynistic of the gaming community and just shows how nerdy and adolescent/chauvinistic alot are. Is every picture that has a guy in it labelled/tagged with "boy/man" in it? So why should every photo with a woman in it be tagged with things like "girl" "hot" "chick" etc... People should get over the fact that yes, there are women that play board games too, why must it be focused on so much
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devaloki wrote:
Is this really necessary to do? In my opinion, this is misogynistic of the gaming community and just shows how nerdy and adolescent/chauvinistic alot are. Is every picture that has a guy in it labelled/tagged with "boy/man" in it? So why should every photo with a woman in it be tagged with things like "girl" "hot" "chick" etc... People should get over the fact that yes, there are women that play board games too, why must it be focused on so much


I don’t believe it they are a figment of the diseased imaginations of male gamers.
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devaloki wrote:
Is this really necessary to do? In my opinion, this is misogynistic of the gaming community and just shows how nerdy and adolescent/chauvinistic alot are. Is every picture that has a guy in it labelled/tagged with "boy/man" in it? So why should every photo with a woman in it be tagged with things like "girl" "hot" "chick" etc... People should get over the fact that yes, there are women that play board games too, why must it be focused on so much


I don’t believe it they are a figment of the diseased imaginations of male gamers.


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Yes, it's pathetic.
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I'd be happy to see the tagging system removed entirely (or severely modified), as I think it's exploited far too often. Plenty of times I have seen not just images, but geeklists, and all sorts of things, tagged with some sort of offensive, defamatory, or otherwise passive agressive label. The original poster is powerless to remove inappropriate tags, the tagger gets to remain anonymous, and unfortunately, the tags generally appear above any comments, giving the inappropriate tags far too much attention.
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I'd be happy to see the tagging system removed entirely (or severely modified), as I think it's exploited far too often. Plenty of times I have seen not just images, but geeklists, and all sorts of things, tagged with some sort of offensive, defamatory, or otherwise passive agressive label. The original poster is powerless to remove inappropriate tags, the tagger gets to remain anonymous, and unfortunately, the tags generally appear above any comments, giving the inappropriate tags far too much attention.


I totally agree with that too
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Misogynistic is not to be confused with male-majority. It is a male-majority hobby, and guys tend to like seeing pictures of girls. Deleting the tags will not change this reality of it.
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Misogynistic is not to be confused with male-majority. It is a male-majority hobby, and guys tend to like seeing pictures of girls. Deleting the tags will not change this reality of it.


it objectifies women that like playing the games. no wonder too why alot won't play because of being focused on by nerdy desperate men
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devaloki wrote:
BrenoK wrote:
Misogynistic is not to be confused with male-majority. It is a male-majority hobby, and guys tend to like seeing pictures of girls. Deleting the tags will not change this reality of it.


it objectifies women that like playing the games. no wonder too why alot won't play because of being focused on by nerdy desperate men


I resemble that remark.
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And what is it with the "beard" tag?
People should also get over the fact that bearded men play games too, why must it be obsessed over?
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Not quite the same.

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Not quite the same.



OK, is this better?
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/tag/guys
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tagged with some sort of offensive, defamatory, or otherwise passive agressive label. The original poster is powerless to remove inappropriate tags, the tagger gets to remain anonymous

Regarding the anonymous bit, can't you always see who tagged something? (e.g. for images, by clicking on "view all", then the number next to the tag)
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For a while, I was tagging *ALL* females no matter what age or appearance with the standard "girl", etc., tags. This was meant to be sort of a statement about the way that women get tagged, but after a while I decided nobody noticed or cared so I stopped.
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Regarding the anonymous bit, can't you always see who tagged something? (e.g. for images, by clicking on "view all", then the number next to the tag)


Wow. Learn something new every day!

Still, I'd like to see one or more of the following implemented:
1. The original poster can remove/disable tags.
2. Tags are only visible to the user who created the tag.
3. Tags are hidden by default.
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And what is it with the "beard" tag?
People should also get over the fact that bearded men play games too, why must it be obsessed over?

i agree totally with that
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For a while, I was tagging *ALL* females no matter what age or appearance with the standard "girl", etc., tags. This was meant to be sort of a statement about the way that women get tagged, but after a while I decided nobody noticed or cared so I stopped.


I've always found the use of the word "girl" pretty offensive when the target of said word is clearly a woman, so I've added a lot of "boy" tags to pictures of beards men. But I got bored after a while.
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Still, I'd like to see one or more of the following implemented:
1. The original poster can remove/disable tags.
2. Tags are only visible to the user who created the tag.
3. Tags are hidden by default.


The problem is lots of tags are useful. Tags grouping certain kinds of games, reviews, essen or gathering reports, etc. You stumble across one, then can quickly find a bunch of similar stuff that interests you.

You'd lose all that.

I always prefer to deal with an issue directly. If there's an inappropriate tag, then users should be able to complain (like they can by x-ing posts), and the tag is removed if enough do that, and the user who created that tag should be punished if the mods feel it is severe enough.
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devaloki wrote:
BrenoK wrote:
Misogynistic is not to be confused with male-majority. It is a male-majority hobby, and guys tend to like seeing pictures of girls. Deleting the tags will not change this reality of it.


it objectifies women that like playing the games. no wonder too why alot won't play because of being focused on by nerdy desperate men


I don't think being called attractive objectifies people. It objectifying if they think "being attractive" sums the person up entirely (as in, "we invite her just 'cuz she's pretty"). Considering it's a picture, image is pretty much all there is to it, so being attractive is a big deal in pictures.

But then again, I'm not too big on terminological feminism, on why "seminal work" shouldn't be used anymore because it's a misogynistic word (the word comes from semen... but which in itself comes from seed)

I don't actually care much particularly if women play games or not, what I want is good opponents, whatever gender/race/nationality/creed they may be.

If you think the hobby is populated by desperate men and this really bothers you, you should perhaps find another hobby, since I don't really think the key demographic will ever change.
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wmshub wrote:
For a while, I was tagging *ALL* females no matter what age or appearance with the standard "girl", etc., tags. This was meant to be sort of a statement about the way that women get tagged, but after a while I decided nobody noticed or cared so I stopped.


I've always found the use of the word "girl" pretty offensive when the target of said word is clearly a woman, so I've added a lot of "boy" tags to pictures of beards men. But I got bored after a while.


That extends well beyond the realm of BGG into issues of gender bias and language though. Many people use the terms "guys" and "girls" to refer to male and female without any (conscious) ill intent. Now it could be argued that it's offensive or not, or that it's simply the evolution of language. I know people in their 20s and 30s who refer to their peers as "kids" - this is not with any ill intent, and is an example of how language has evolved since I grew up, when a "kid" was a pre-teen.
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BrenoK wrote:
Misogynistic is not to be confused with male-majority. It is a male-majority hobby, and guys tend to like seeing pictures of girls. Deleting the tags will not change this reality of it.


it objectifies women that like playing the games. no wonder too why alot won't play because of being focused on by nerdy desperate men


I don't think being called attractive objectifies people. It objectifying if they think "being attractive" sums the person up entirely (as in, "we invite her just 'cuz she's pretty"). Considering it's a picture, image is pretty much all there is to it, so being attractive is a big deal in pictures.

But then again, I'm not too big on terminological feminism, on why "seminal work" shouldn't be used anymore because it's a misogynistic word (the word comes from semen... but which in itself comes from seed)

I don't actually care much particularly if women play games or not, what I want is good opponents, whatever gender/race/nationality/creed they may be.

If you think the hobby is populated by desperate men and this really bothers you, you should perhaps find another hobby, since I don't really think the key demographic will ever change.


Fine...people will tag women as 'girls', but do we really need all the 'feet' tags? I get that it is the most common fetish men have but *sigh*
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Misogynistic is not to be confused with male-majority. It is a male-majority hobby, and guys tend to like seeing pictures of girls. Deleting the tags will not change this reality of it.


I actually don't have an opinion yet about the tags. The majority male thing is another matter. The lowest common denominator prevails at times here. It's not about a majority of males, however. It's about a specific type. As in adolescent minded.

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I'm a member of four gaming groups in a fifty mile radius around my home. Sure, some gamers are "odd," but I don't think I can think of a single person who'd I think of as a "desperate male" (e.g. hormonally driven/adolescent minded.). That's something I only see here. Maybe I'm lucky enough to not be around these desperate male types. If I had I'd never have gotten this involved in gaming.
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The problem is lots of tags are useful.


I, for one, have never found tags useful and frequently found them offensive or used only as a tool of passive aggressive criticism and other problematic behavior. I would happily lose the tagging system; any good it seems to provide is insignificant.

Of course, no one will listen to this complaint. Instead, then, as a compromise, I suggest that all tags be treated like wiki content - any user can add or remove or change any tag. If they really are so "useful", then it shouldn't be any problem to let people maintain them in the best manner.

As is, they are the worst element of the site community.
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I continue to be bewildered that people use the tagging system. I've never even figured out how it is supposed to work. I think my mental model for "tagging" is the Facebook one - you tag specific people.
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Misogynistic is not to be confused with male-majority. It is a male-majority hobby, and guys tend to like seeing pictures of girls. Deleting the tags will not change this reality of it.


I actually don't have an opinion yet about the tags. The majority male thing is another matter. The lowest common denominator prevails at times here. It's not about a majority of males, however. It's about a specific type. As in adolescent minded.

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I'm a member of four gaming groups in a fifty mile radius around my home. Sure, some gamers are "odd," but I don't think I can think of a single person who'd I think of as a "desperate male" (e.g. hormonally driven/adolescent minded.). That's something I only see here. Maybe I'm lucky enough to not be around these desperate male types. If I had I'd never have gotten this involved in gaming.

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