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Subject: Question about collecting resources when it's NOT your turn..... rss

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Joel Eddy
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When you collect resources and it's NOT your turn, can you place those resources on a property that is still considered a deed, or do you have to wait until your turn?

Thanks!

Awesome game, by the way.
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I've been assuming that it's on your turn only.
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NateStraight wrote:
I've been assuming that it's on your turn only.


That's how we played it. We talked it over and it ended up not seeming to matter a WHOLE lot. But... you could get it taken away on your turn due to taxation. /shrug
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Agreed. Seems like it's intended to be only on your turn.
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I believe the order is specific in this regard. On your turn you 1) roll dice, 1a) resolve taxation if applicable, 2) get paid, 3) play card and money, 4) draw card.

If it's not your turn you only participate in parts 1a) and 2)
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Maxx_Pointy wrote:
I believe the order is specific in this regard. On your turn you 1) roll dice, 1a) resolve taxation if applicable, 2) get paid, 3) play card and money, 4) draw card.

If it's not your turn you only participate in parts 1a) and 2)


This.
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I don't think it matters too much, but I play that once its your turn (ie after your opponent has drawn their card), you may add to developing properties (I also play that you can trade resources also).

I'm a very risk adverse gamer in general so that's just how I like to play my games.

Are there any problems with this?
 
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aaarg_ink wrote:
I don't think it matters too much, but I play that once its your turn (ie after your opponent has drawn their card), you may add to developing properties (I also play that you can trade resources also).

I'm a very risk adverse gamer in general so that's just how I like to play my games.

Are there any problems with this?


The rule is that you actually have to roll and resolve taxation before you can move tokens onto deeds. This means that income you collected during your opponent's turn might be taxed before you have a chance to use it.

If you are really risk averse, you can avoid taxation by putting all tokens on deeds at the end of your turn. If you collect any during your opponent's turn, you will only collect one of a given; if you roll and are taxed on your turn, the tax will leave the single token untouched.
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Yes, sorry I had originally written that this is a variant, but must have deleted that statement when editing the reply. It was actually mistake/variant but I didn't realize it until re-reading the rules when responding to the thread.
 
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aaarg_ink wrote:
Yes, sorry I had originally written that this is a variant, but must have deleted that statement when editing the reply. It was actually mistake/variant but I didn't realize it until re-reading the rules when responding to the thread.


I was talking about this with Cristyn, and she thinks that the rule as written is important. Here's why: When playing, she always keeps 1 token of each suit available. That way, regardless of what she draws at the end of her turn, she know she will be able to buy the deed for it next turn. On the other hand, I often put all the tokens of some suits onto deeds.

Her strategy puts her at a small risk of taxation (if she gets income on my turn and rolls taxation on her next turn); my strategy puts me at a risk of not being able to buy the deed next turn for the card that I draw at the end of this turn (if I draw a card that requires a resource I've committed to the deed-in-progress and don't get any income in those suits before my next play). With the proposed variant, the choice between these two strategies would just go away - hers would involve no risk, so it would always be the thing to do.
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pmagnus wrote:
aaarg_ink wrote:
Yes, sorry I had originally written that this is a variant, but must have deleted that statement when editing the reply. It was actually mistake/variant but I didn't realize it until re-reading the rules when responding to the thread.


I was talking about this with Cristyn, and she thinks that the rule as written is important. Here's why: When playing, she always keeps 1 token of each suit available. That way, regardless of what she draws at the end of her turn, she know she will be able to buy the deed for it next turn. On the other hand, I often put all the tokens of some suits onto deeds.

Her strategy puts her at a small risk of taxation (if she gets income on my turn and rolls taxation on her next turn); my strategy puts me at a risk of not being able to buy the deed next turn for the card that I draw at the end of this turn (if I draw a card that requires a resource I've committed to the deed-in-progress and don't get any income in those suits before my next play). With the proposed variant, the choice between these two strategies would just go away - hers would involve no risk, so it would always be the thing to do.


And with that statement, I just realized something that I have played wrong (but actually explained right in my video).

Example: You have five yellow resources. Four of them are on a deed. One is in your personal supply. You roll the dice, and are taxed on yellow. The resources on your deed are protected, but you lose the one in your supply. I'm not actually sure I have played this wrong... yet. But, I think it may have come up in a game last week.

Neither of us have been paying attention to the resources on our deeds (only those in our stash), when it comes to taxation.
 
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eekamouse wrote:
pmagnus wrote:
aaarg_ink wrote:
Yes, sorry I had originally written that this is a variant, but must have deleted that statement when editing the reply. It was actually mistake/variant but I didn't realize it until re-reading the rules when responding to the thread.


I was talking about this with Cristyn, and she thinks that the rule as written is important. Here's why: When playing, she always keeps 1 token of each suit available. That way, regardless of what she draws at the end of her turn, she know she will be able to buy the deed for it next turn. On the other hand, I often put all the tokens of some suits onto deeds.

Her strategy puts her at a small risk of taxation (if she gets income on my turn and rolls taxation on her next turn); my strategy puts me at a risk of not being able to buy the deed next turn for the card that I draw at the end of this turn (if I draw a card that requires a resource I've committed to the deed-in-progress and don't get any income in those suits before my next play). With the proposed variant, the choice between these two strategies would just go away - hers would involve no risk, so it would always be the thing to do.


And with that statement, I just realized something that I have played wrong (but actually explained right in my video).

Example: You have five yellow resources. Four of them are on a deed. One is in your personal supply. You roll the dice, and are taxed on yellow. The resources on your deed are protected, but you lose the one in your supply. I'm not actually sure I have played this wrong... yet. But, I think it may have come up in a game last week.

Neither of us have been paying attention to the resources on our deeds (only those in our stash), when it comes to taxation.


Are you sure that's right? I it seems to me that resources spent on a deed was lost and gone and the tokens on the deed card is just a reminder to how much you had already spent. As such that one token should stay tax free?

And as for the reason why the rule is important - thanks for the explanation, I will play it correctly henceforth! The problem in the last game happened when my girlfriend was about to get taxed on her 8 moons she looks at me with that "if you want to play this game again" face...yeah I let her reroll. And yes, I was trounced.
 
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure that you were right the first time, Joel.
 
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the Magnate rules wrote:
Any player who has more than one of that resource must immediately discard all but one. Note that resources already spent to develop properties are not effected.


Example: I am developing a deed for 8 Moons Suns, that I have 5 Moons tokens on the deed, and I have 2 moon tokens in my general supply. Taxation is rolled on Moons. The tokens on the deed are safe. I discard 1 token from my supply (all but one).
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Ah. I see the source of the misinterpretation [and it could lead to an even more awkward situation]: The word "effected" rather than something like "counted" or "taken into account" at the end of that rules snippet.
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NateStraight wrote:
Ah. I see the source of the misinterpretation [and it could lead to an even more awkward situation]: The word "effected" rather than something like "counted" or "taken into account" at the end of that rules snippet.


It's interesting, as the game becomes more popular, to discover places where the rules are just a shambles. blush
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pmagnus wrote:
NateStraight wrote:
Ah. I see the source of the misinterpretation [and it could lead to an even more awkward situation]: The word "effected" rather than something like "counted" or "taken into account" at the end of that rules snippet.


It's interesting, as the game becomes more popular, to discover places where the rules are just a shambles. blush


Don't be so harsh, lol. I only became confused after your post above

My (wrong) idea could be a variant though... The "King John" variant.
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