Medievalbanquet
United States Wellesley Massachusetts
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What's the heaviest 3 player game that takes over 3 hours to sap all of one's brain power causing he/she to lose their will to live but its fun?

Non-traditional wargame only, please. And, games that are struggles with 3, not games that you can play with 3 but really aren't bloodbaths at that number. Like Struggle of Empires- sure, you can play it with 3 but its not fun at that number.
Roads & Boats
Antiquity
These came up in our discussion last night. What else?

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Richard Diosi
Canada Newcastle Ontario
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Easily,
God's Playground
I have this on my Wishlist. I played it just once with two friends. It only plays three and is a real brain burner clocking in at least three hours. The terrific thing here is you must struggle against each other, fight against the game but also give just enough cooperation such that everything doesn't fall apart.
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Jerry Hagen
United States Madison Wisconsin
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I'm told After the Flood is such a game, though I haven't played it.
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Medievalbanquet
United States Wellesley Massachusetts
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These are good calls all things being considered. However, for some reason I'm not a huge fan of them. I LOVE Wallace games but these have fell a bit short in our group.

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Peter Martin
United States Oceanside California
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DocStryder wrote: Easily, God's Playground I have this on my Wishlist. I played it just once with two friends. It only plays three and is a real brain burner clocking in at least three hours. The terrific thing here is you must struggle against each other, fight against the game but also give just enough cooperation such that everything doesn't fall apart.
Andrew, you might want to reconsider this one. I am with you concerning Martin Wallace games (being hit or miss). However, I think this one is great because the theme of the game resembles The Republic of Rome since there are times when you want the other guy to fail and time when you have no choice but to support Poland. This is the one I thought of when I saw the topic header. Recommended.
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Dave Nicholson
Canada Edmonton Alberta
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I always like to recommend Titan. It weighs 9 lbs which is heavier than most games. Though perhaps it is a traditional wargame. I don't know the traditional vs non-traditional wargame distinction.
It plays very well with three players and avoids the kingmaker problem inherent in most 3 player games.
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Was George Orwell an Optimist?
United States Corvallis Oregon
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How about Maria, or its predecessor Friedrich (which is designed for four but works well with three). Brilliant games, easy to learn but with great depth.
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Brian Schroth
United States Middletown Connecticut
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SkarfBoy wrote: I always like to recommend Titan. It weighs 9 lbs which is heavier than most games. Though perhaps it is a traditional wargame. I don't know the traditional vs non-traditional wargame distinction.
It plays very well with three players and avoids the kingmaker problem inherent in most 3 player games.
It's also the greatest game ever created. Good choice.
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Was George Orwell an Optimist?
United States Corvallis Oregon
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If you're into sci-fi, consider Web and Starship.
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M.J.E. Hendriks
Netherlands Velp Gelderland
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Through the Ages of course - but I see it's in your hot top 10 already.
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Eric Neff
United States Indianapolis Indiana
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I would have to go with Revolution: The Dutch Revolt 1568-1648.
It's not quite 3 hours, but El Caballero is quite a brain burner also.
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Chef D
United States Newtonville Massachusetts
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... or Titan and The Republic of Rome..
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Bastian Bux
Canada Halifax Nova Scotia
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...or do I?
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Successors (3rd Edition)
Indonesia High Frontier
Die Macher (for 3 is not intense enough)
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Rolling bad dice in wargames since 1977
United States Austin Texas
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Sphere wrote:
First thing I thought of! Glad you covered it!
And if you want hard science, I'd second the above nomination for High Frontier. Also Maria and Friedrich.
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Eric Williams
Australia Queanbeyan New South Wales
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What is "heavy"? It depends on experience and individual perspective. I'm lucky to be a hybrid type gamer that thoroughly enjoys both Euro's and wargame / simulations. My last two purchases have been "Clash of Monarch's" and "Lancaster".
I'm a huge fan of God's Playground. But "heavy" is not a word I'd use to describe it. For me, a Euro can't usually achieve "heavy" classification. A game that takes a few hours or less can be outstanding, entertaining, and involve countless decisions - but it usually won't be "heavy". A simulation on the other hand that a sequence of poor moves (or damn good ones) could mean the point of no return for a player - that's "heavy" regardless of size of rule book.
A good Euro will try to keep all players "in it" and interested. Most simply don't allow the removal of a player and that's a good thing. Whilst we all play to try to win, I think this factor above all others denies me from ever being able to call a Euro game "heavy".
For note purposes, I consider Clash of Monarch's to be medium weight.
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Chef D
United States Newtonville Massachusetts
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How about:
Throneworld 2038 Time Agent
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Genghis Ahn
United States San Clemente California
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Samurai BUT everyone MUST be a great player or it is not fun. Because it is a brain melter if one player is really not up for concentrating the game is ruined for everyone.
Very good three player game.
I like Brass as a three player game as well.
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Chef D
United States Newtonville Massachusetts
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Genghisx wrote: Samurai BUT everyone MUST be a great player or it is not fun. Because it is a brain melter if one player is really not up for concentrating the game is ruined for everyone.
Very good three player game.
I like Brass as a three player game as well.
I like Brass too but I have never had it take more than 2+ hours.
Another on is Baltimore & Ohio. I have never played but by all accounts it takes 4-6 hours.
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Jerome Cormier
Canada Montreal Quebec
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May I suggest 18AL. It's not a wargame, but share the strong conflictual aspect with them. It might not be the heaviest of the 18XX serie but it takes easily three hours and plays well with three players (and is readily available). A true extenuous brainburner, especially when familiar with the rules and rythm... and very competitive and agressive.
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United States Oneonta New York
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I love Maria and Friedrich, but they are not as heavy as Clash of Monarchs.
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Jim Leesch
United States Buffalo Grove Illinois
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God's Playground and After the Flood are both excellent choices for your query, but for my money the title goes to Here I stand. It plays extremely well with 3, and will take you about 6-9 hours to play.
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Chad DeShon
United States Gardner Kansas
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Sphere wrote: How about Maria, or its predecessor Friedrich (which is designed for four but works well with three). Brilliant games, easy to learn but with great depth.
I was going to suggest Maria as well. A brain burner designed for three.
Bastian Bux wrote: I liked Die Macher with three the one time I played it. You have to pay a lot more attention to what the other people are doing. More opportunities to make a sub-optimal play that hurts the others guys.
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R.T. Sloan
United States Pittsburgh Pennsylvania
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Neuland is a very heavy (Read; Brain Burner) excellent three player game. Where it comes up short is that it should only take two hours to play.
I guess you could play it twice.
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Joe Norris
United States Dublin Ohio
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Without having played every game listed in this thread, I might chance a suggestion that Mecanisburgo and including the two expansions is a very heavy game. Complex, but not necessarily complicated in game play terms.
I just recently picked up Vanished Planet based on the recommendation that it is a heavy (maybe deep might be a better adjective) game.
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Adam
United States Grand Prairie Texas
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It fits your description perfectly! And yes, it's a war game.. with an animal theme on it.
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