Leonardo Martino
Italy
Milano
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1) if a 3 cubes french group have order "1 to 2" is he required to move with all of is 3 cubes or can leave one or two cubes in 1?
2) can spanish cubes leave cubes in starting zone or are they required to move all of them to one zone (they cant move to 2 different zone unless Turba is played in current round)?
so spanish group cant split up... what does this mean?
3) as soon as french units abandon 14,15, 16 artillery has no effect and spanish can move from 9 to 17 or viceversa and move inside 15,16 in the same turn?
4)if I have 3 less card than my opponent I can deny drawing a card to him and I dont draw.
if have 4 less card than my opponent I can deny drawing a card to him and I draw a card.
are these sentences correct??
-tropas de elite adds in the end adds a cube to french group during resolution phase and this cube is "removed" after resolution
thanks Leonardo
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Mark Evans
United States
Berlin
New Hampshire
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kalevi1999 wrote: 1) if a 3 cubes french group have order "1 to 2" is he required to move with all of is 3 cubes or can leave one or two cubes in 1?
The French player may leave one or two cubes in area 1. The French player must move at least one cube to area 2.
Quote: 2) can spanish cubes leave cubes in starting zone or are they required to move all of them to one zone (they cant move to 2 different zone unless Turba is played in current round)?
so spanish group cant split up... what does this mean?
Under normal circumstances the Spanish player may not split his forces. Leaving cubes behind on a move order is not allowed (EXC: Moving out of a contested area).
Quote: 3) as soon as french units abandon 14,15, 16 artillery has no effect and spanish can move from 9 to 17 or viceversa and move inside 15,16 in the same turn?
Sorry, no card handy. If you write the text of the card in play, I will give you my best answer.
Quote: 4)if I have 3 less card than my opponent I can deny drawing a card to him and I dont draw.
if have 4 less card than my opponent I can deny drawing a card to him and I draw a card.
are these sentences correct??
Correct.
Quote: -tropas de elite adds in the end adds a cube to french group during resolution phase and this cube is "removed" after resolution
thanks Leonardo
No cards handy again, type the text here and I will give my best answer.
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I left my game (and rule book) with a friend yesterday, so my responses to your questions are subject to review.
1) if a 3 cubes french group have order "1 to 2" is he required to move with all of is 3 cubes or can leave one or two cubes in 1?
As long as the area is not contested (an area where there are both Spanish and French units), then (for the French player) at least one unit in an area where an order is issued must be moved. The rules also state that the French player does not need to idenfify the number of units being moved when the order is written.
Please note that the rules clearly state that French units cannot leave a contested area. Further, if one order of a set of orders is invalid (e.g. if a French player orders its units to leave a contested area, then that is an example of an invalid order) then the entire set of orders for the offending player that turn are invalid (however, you could beg and plead for forgiveness from your opponent).
Back to your example...as long as area 1 was not contested, and there were 3 French units in that area, and the order was 1 -> 2, then the French player could move: 1, 2, or 3 units from area 1 to area 2 in the movement phase.
2) can spanish cubes leave cubes in starting zone or are they required to move all of them to one zone (they cant move to 2 different zone unless Turba is played in current round)? so spanish group cant split up... what does this mean?
Spanish units can move from an area to an adjacent area (with some possible exceptions such as Artillery). However, once a set of Spanish units are in the same zone, then they must move as a collective with the exception of:
a) the play of the "Mob Dispurses" card, and
b) when leaving a contested area.
Let's ignore the exceptions for now. Let's say that you have one Spanish unit in each of Areas 8, 9, and 15. Further, let's say that you issue orders as follows: 8 -> 9, 15 -> 9, then you will have 3 Spanish units in Area 9. On the next turn, (assuming that Area 9 is not contested), if you issue an order 9 -> 5, then all three Spanish units move from 9 to 5. So the Spanish units move as a collective once they meet up in an area (subject to the above exceptions), which is a "mob" like effect. Whereas the French units are not required to move as a collective.
Please note that there is no requirement for Spanish units in separate areas to converge to a single area. For example, let's say that you have one Spanish unit in each of Areas 8, 9, and 15. The orders could have been 8 -> 2, 9 -> 5, 15 -> 18.
As for the exceptions:
a) the play of the "Mob Dispurses" card is self-explanatory,
b) when leaving a contested area, the Spanish player must leave at least half (rounded up) of the units in the contested area. For example, if at the start of a turn there are 5 French units and 5 Spanish units in an area. Then the Spanish player can order its units in that contested area to move to an adjacent area, however, 3 Spanish units must be left behind in the contested area and 2 Spanish units can move. Please note that the French player cannot issue an order to move the French units from a contested area.
***Caveat*** Watch out for cards that your opponent may have that can cancel a movement order.
3) as soon as french units abandon 14,15, 16 artillery has no effect and spanish can move from 9 to 17 or viceversa and move inside 15,16 in the same turn?
Artillery, once in play remains in play for the duration of the game, and has several effects. One effect is the movement restriction imposed on the Spanish player if the French player has at least one unit in each of 14,15, and 16 (this effect can be "on" or "off" and re-initialized depending on the location of French units). The other effect is the increase in strength (+2) to the French units in Area 10, and that French units in Area 10 cannot die, regardless of the size of the Spanish forces (this second effect is not conditional on the French player occupation of 14, 15, and 16).
When the orders are being written, if the French player has not satisfied the occupation conditions to prevent Spanish movement from 9 to 17 or 17 to 9, then the Spanish player can move units from 9 -> 17 or 17 -> 9. If during that same turn (where the Spanish player issues orders from 9 -> 17 or 17 -> 9) the French player moves units into each unoccupied 14, 15, or 16 (as applicable), then this does not prevent the Spanish order/movement from proceeding as the movement of units is to be simultaneous (i.e, by the time the French forces get to 14, 15, or 16, the Spanish units have already escaped down the alley from 9 to 17 or 17 to 9).
4)if I have 3 less card than my opponent I can deny drawing a card to him and I dont draw.
if have 4 less card than my opponent I can deny drawing a card to him and I draw a card.
are these sentences correct??
Yes. Let me know if you would like some examples.
5) tropas de elite adds in the end adds a cube to french group during resolution phase and this cube is "removed" after resolution
I don't have the card in front of me, so I don't want to speculate on an answer.
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Leonardo Martino
Italy
Milano
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thank you for the answers. Im studying them
Still dont get one thing about Movement phase: is it simultaneous? So why the spanish player move his cubes first and french second? If spanish moves his cube in an area where french player has assigned and order to clear the zone and move to another area, can french cubes move or the area becomes contested?
bt tropas de elite says that one french group adds one point during resolution phase: does this mean something like it would have one additional cube that gets removed after resolution ??
Thanks again for your patience
Leonardo
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Thomas Chipman
United States
Nashville
Tennessee
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movement is mostly simultaneous. it really only becomes an issue if both sets of troops attempt to cross the same border. this situation is handled directly in the rules.
the spanish player moves first because they do not have the choice to split their forces. the french have the choice of how many troops to move in each order and they can make that decision based on where the spanish moved that turn.
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Leonardo Martino
Italy
Milano
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other question... whats the point of initiative? where in the game is used?
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Russ Williams
Poland
Wrocław
Dolny Śląsk
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BTW I recommend checking out 2 de Mayo FAQ if you've not read it already.
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Thomas Chipman
United States
Nashville
Tennessee
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kalevi1999 wrote: other question... whats the point of initiative? where in the game is used?
the best use for initiative is to determine the timing for cards. see this thread for a good explanation of the issue and its solution:
When can/should Ruiz be played? + Timing of "play immediately" cards?
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bt tropas de elite says that one french group adds one point during resolution phase: does this mean something like it would have one additional cube that gets removed after resolution ??
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You could think of it that way, but you do not need to add a cube for the effect, which is to add a strength of +1.
An another example is the Artillery card, which gives the French player +2 strength in Area 10 (you do not add two French cubesto Area 10, you just note that when Area 10 is contested you add +2 to the strength of the French units).
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