Dennis FitzPatrick
United States
Garden City
Kansas
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So I've waited with baited breath for a good long while for Arctic Scavengers to be released. The latest promise was
"this summer."
Nothing from Origins...
Nothing from Essen...
Nothing from Gencon...
Summer is almost done. I'm ready to go shop your competitors now:Rune Age or Resident Evil Deck Building Game.
September, the beginning of fall, get it out or I'm out.
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Yes, because Jay at RGG is sitting on a crate of the games in his warehouse thinking: "I bet we would sell more of this game by keeping it in the warehouse rather than selling it."
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S P
United States
Zionsville
Indiana
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Not sure I follow the logic here. You want this game so much that RGG better get the game out by fall or you will no longer want it?
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♪ Isaäc Bickërstaff ♫
United States
Greer
South Carolina
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I think you should take this time to work on your sense of entitlement.
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Jacob Heinikel
United States
Allen
Texas
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You should try waking up on the other side of the bed tomorrow. Just a test.
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Michael Dean
United States
Norman
Oklahoma
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I wouldn't normally do this, but your breath should be "bated", not "baited".
There isn't much else to respond to in your post, but I'm trying to be constructive anyway.
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David Reed
United States
College Station
Texas
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Next time at the grocery, try the Cheerios... Marketing studies have found that the Grumpios result in a longer days and snippy postings.
Seriously, the production problems that most of the game publishers have been having should be well-known by now. There are more games being published than ever, but the number of good-quality printers hasn't increased. Publishers have to prioritize what gets put into the queues at the printers they use. If I were Jay, my top priorities would be Dominion expansions, the top games from the most recent Nuremberg and the most promising of the upcoming Essen titles.
It's frustrating to see games slip and slide back on the the release schedule, but it happens. I get far more irritated by titles that keep getting pushed back on the schedule and eventually being cancelled. That's happened to several titles I was looking for. Just let it go - that's what I do.
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DORGON
United States
Round Rock
Texas
Entertainment for those who don't think young & don't think old
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Get Him!
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Charles Phillips
United States
Pittsburgh
Pennsylvania
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deacondavid wrote: Next time at the grocery, try the Cheerios... Marketing studies have found that the Grumpios result in a longer days and snippy postings.
Seriously, the production problems that most of the game publishers have been having should be well-known by now. There are more games being published than ever, but the number of good-quality printers hasn't increased. Publishers have to prioritize what gets put into the queues at the printers they use. If I were Jay, my top priorities would be Dominion expansions, the top games from the most recent Nuremberg and the most promising of the upcoming Essen titles.
It's frustrating to see games slip and slide back on the the release schedule, but it happens. I get far more irritated by titles that keep getting pushed back on the schedule and eventually being cancelled. That's happened to several titles I was looking for. Just let it go - that's what I do.
Agree. Except for the part about more Dominion Expansions. Dominion has been milked dry. For nearly two years, it was the first and most popular DBG on the market and except for Thunderstone, the only DBG. Now the que is loaded with DBGs coming down the line: Core Worlds, Eminent Domain, Nightfall and Resident Evil Expansions, Rune Age just out. Dominion had a lot of expansions very fast (causing people comment it was like a CCG) so that RGG could get as much cash as possible before the inevitable happened. And it has happened.
I doubt we'll see any Dominion expansions for awhile.
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If Actions Speak Louder Than Words, Then Actions x2 Speak Louder Than Actions
United States
Hutto
Texas
One of the Original Twelve
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willythesnitch wrote: Yes, because Jay at RGG is sitting on a crate of the games in his warehouse thinking: "I bet we would sell more of this game by keeping it in the warehouse rather than selling it."
Yes, but Jay is sitting on a warehouse of empty release projections.
And Blizzard...
And FFG...
And...
...
Under promise/over deliver is good business.
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Byron Olson
United States
Ramsey
Minnesota
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I would just like any news from RGG. Can anyone direct me to some current news about the status of Scavengers? Did anyone ask at GenCon?
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Joe the Sith Lord
United States
North Carolina
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I remember long ago (3 years or so) that Rio Grande used to put out, more or less monthly newsletters to keep us informed and what they were doing. Now, sadly, they only seem to come out about twice a year.
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Chris Ferejohn
United States
San Francisco
California
Pitying fools as hard as I can...
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joebelanger wrote: willythesnitch wrote: Yes, because Jay at RGG is sitting on a crate of the games in his warehouse thinking: "I bet we would sell more of this game by keeping it in the warehouse rather than selling it." Yes, but Jay is sitting on a warehouse of empty release projections. And Blizzard... And FFG... And... ... Under promise/over deliver is good business.
Uhh, FFG just released Blood Bowl Team Manager much earlier than anyone was anticipating. Despite customs problems that delayed the first LOTR chapter pack, the second one was out like a week after. So, uh, yeah, not sure what you are talking about there...
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Eddie the Cranky Monkey
Canada
Edmonton
Alberta
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It's been a while, but every time I've asked Jay a question he has replied in a reasonable timeframe.
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If Actions Speak Louder Than Words, Then Actions x2 Speak Louder Than Actions
United States
Hutto
Texas
One of the Original Twelve
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cferejohn wrote: joebelanger wrote: willythesnitch wrote: Yes, because Jay at RGG is sitting on a crate of the games in his warehouse thinking: "I bet we would sell more of this game by keeping it in the warehouse rather than selling it." Yes, but Jay is sitting on a warehouse of empty release projections. And Blizzard... And FFG... And... ... Under promise/over deliver is good business. Uhh, FFG just released Blood Bowl Team Manager much earlier than anyone was anticipating.
You're kidding right?
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David Reed
United States
College Station
Texas
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Nordiska wrote: I remember long ago (3 years or so) that Rio Grande used to put out, more or less monthly newsletters to keep us informed and what they were doing. Now, sadly, they only seem to come out about twice a year.
Jay put these out on a regular basis until he was massively jumped on by folks here on BGG. It was when a couple of titles had had lengthy delays (I think one was an expansion for Race for the Galaxy, but it could have very easily have been a Dominion expansion (or both)). After repeated slamming, he decided to discontinue the regular newsletters and only release them when he had solid announcements to make. He said, not without some justification, that the regular newsletters had raised expectations where there was no certainty. Sadly, it seems like even announcements backed by solid information have gone away - he only had a couple of them last year.
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Doug Faust
United States
Malverne
New York
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Have you tried Arctic Scavengers? I played the original version, and while it's not horrible, there are better deckbuilding games out there. Like, all of them. It just seems to me that the game was designed so early in the "deckbuilding craze" that tons of innovation has happened since then, and you're much better off going with more recent designs (that have the added advantage of actually being in print).
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Lee Fisher
United States
Downingtown
Pennsylvania
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ClineCon wrote: deacondavid wrote: Next time at the grocery, try the Cheerios... Marketing studies have found that the Grumpios result in a longer days and snippy postings.
Seriously, the production problems that most of the game publishers have been having should be well-known by now. There are more games being published than ever, but the number of good-quality printers hasn't increased. Publishers have to prioritize what gets put into the queues at the printers they use. If I were Jay, my top priorities would be Dominion expansions, the top games from the most recent Nuremberg and the most promising of the upcoming Essen titles.
It's frustrating to see games slip and slide back on the the release schedule, but it happens. I get far more irritated by titles that keep getting pushed back on the schedule and eventually being cancelled. That's happened to several titles I was looking for. Just let it go - that's what I do. Agree. Except for the part about more Dominion Expansions. Dominion has been milked dry. For nearly two years, it was the first and most popular DBG on the market and except for Thunderstone, the only DBG. Now the que is loaded with DBGs coming down the line: Core Worlds, Eminent Domain, Nightfall and Resident Evil Expansions, Rune Age just out. Dominion had a lot of expansions very fast (causing people comment it was like a CCG) so that RGG could get as much cash as possible before the inevitable happened. And it has happened. I doubt we'll see any Dominion expansions for awhile.
Was that serious? There will be a big Dominion expansion in the fall.
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Christopher Young
United States
Tenstrike
Minnesota
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I can't speak to Rune Age, but I thought Resident Evil was simply awful. If you're looking to shop competitors, make sure it's something you'd actually want to have. And certainly try out Resident Evil before putting any of your likely hard-earned money towards it.
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Resident Evil is pretty cool.
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Christen
Canada
Toronto
Ontario
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Nova2001 wrote: I can't speak to Rune Age, but I thought Resident Evil was simply awful. If you're looking to shop competitors, make sure it's something you'd actually want to have. And certainly try out Resident Evil before putting any of your likely hard-earned money towards it.
+1
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Mike Cooper
United States
Flower Mound
Texas
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soiledshortz wrote: I would just like any news from RGG. Can anyone direct me to some current news about the status of Scavengers? Did anyone ask at GenCon?
Talked to Kyle last week (Funny story - I "butt-dialed" him and ended up with an update!) and he said that the box and card art are complete and they're working on the die-cuts for the junkyard and the contested resource. There's also some card icons for the expansions now.
I don't remember anything else, but personally I'm not expecting it before the end of the year because apparently it still hasn't gone to the printers.
Feet have been dragged and, while I still look forward to the new version because I think Kyle did a good job with it, the deck-building ship appears to have sailed.
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Stefano Castelli
Italy
Rome
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Phrim wrote: Have you tried Arctic Scavengers? I played the original version, and while it's not horrible, there are better deckbuilding games out there.
Yep, that's the point.
In 2009, AS could have been a nice alternative to Dominion.
In 2011 (2012...) there are LOTS of new games, most of them better refined the "Dominion" concept.
Of course, I'm basing this considerations just on the original rules of AS. Maybe the new edition contains an updated set of rules and cards?
Again, I think that the author sold the rights to the wrong publisher. And not because Rio Grande is a bad one, absolutely not. It is just because... they already publish Dominion. 
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