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Probably a simple question, though I feel the rulebook is not 100% clear.
When acquiring two Civilization Cards in one turn, do the Credits from a card already owned contribute to both cards acquired? E.g., if I have Astronomy and intend to acquire both Coinage and Medicine, can I apply the 20 Credits from Astronomy twice this round or only once?
Regards
Jacob
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Matthew Galer
United States
Atlanta
Georgia
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Yes.
Well, without the rule book handy all I can really say is that is always the way I have played it.
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Halesowen Boardgamer
United Kingdom
Halesowen
West Midlands
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mgaler wrote: Yes.
Well, without the rule book handy all I can really say is that is always the way I have played it.
This is correct.
The only restriction is you can't apply the credit from a card in the same round you bought it, so in the OP example you could not apply the credit from Coinage to the purchase of Medicine or vice versa.
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Keimpe Visser
Netherlands
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DaveD wrote: mgaler wrote: Yes.
Well, without the rule book handy all I can really say is that is always the way I have played it. This is correct. The only restriction is you can't apply the credit from a card in the same round you bought it, so in the OP example you could not apply the credit from Coinage to the purchase of Medicine or vice versa.
Actually in my rules it very clearly states that you can only use the credits from a card you own (therefore not purchased this round) just once!
It states:
"Credits may be combined from any number of cards held but no card may contribute Credits twice over in any one purchase, e.g. ARCHITECTURE counts 15 towards LITERACY as a Civic as stated on the card but the Credit of 5 towards LITERACY as an Art is not counted. MYSTICISM, MUSIC and ARCHITECTURE would count 5 + 5 + 15 = 25 points towards LAW; the first two being Arts which contribute to LAW and ARCHITECTURE counting a special Credit towards any Civic. The same 3 cards would count 20 + 30 + 15 = 65 points towards PHILOSOPHY; this time MYSTlClSM acting as a Science and the others being special cases. Credits count from the next round after they were acquired."
So i hope that helps!
Regards,
Keimpe
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Steve Bachman
United States
Colonie
New York
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Keimpe wrote: DaveD wrote: mgaler wrote: Yes.
Well, without the rule book handy all I can really say is that is always the way I have played it. This is correct. The only restriction is you can't apply the credit from a card in the same round you bought it, so in the OP example you could not apply the credit from Coinage to the purchase of Medicine or vice versa. Actually in my rules it very clearly states that you can only use the credits from a card you own (therefore not purchased this round) just once! It states: "Credits may be combined from any number of cards held but no card may contribute Credits twice over in any one purchase, e.g. ARCHITECTURE counts 15 towards LITERACY as a Civic as stated on the card but the Credit of 5 towards LITERACY as an Art is not counted. MYSTICISM, MUSIC and ARCHITECTURE would count 5 + 5 + 15 = 25 points towards LAW; the first two being Arts which contribute to LAW and ARCHITECTURE counting a special Credit towards any Civic. The same 3 cards would count 20 + 30 + 15 = 65 points towards PHILOSOPHY; this time MYSTlClSM acting as a Science and the others being special cases. Credits count from the next round after they were acquired."So i hope that helps! Regards, Keimpe
What you quoted stated that you can only use one credit from earlier purchases per new card purchase. The 10 point Crafts credit for Clothmaking, for example, could be used to reduce the cost of Agriculture to 100 and Pottery to 35 in the same purchase round.
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Keimpe Visser
Netherlands
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I don't know if you may actually split pionts from one card, because in the rules it also states, that you lose the credits that you spend extra in purchasing a card.
As stated:
"No 'change' is given if the value of the Trade Cards exceeds the value of the Civilization Cards gained."
But the total amount of 10 points in your example, may only be spend ONCE this turn. Not again to buy another card.
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Halesowen Boardgamer
United Kingdom
Halesowen
West Midlands
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Keimpe wrote:
Exactly. But the total amount of 10 points in your example, may only be spend ONCE this turn.
No, if you purchase both Agriculture and Pottery in the same turn, they are 2 purchases and the Cloth Making credit can be applied to both.
AH Rules 17.11 wrote: The same credit from a civilization card can be applied toward different cards in the same turn but it cannot be applied more than once toward the same card. For example, Player B has Mysticism and wishes to acquire two sciences, Astronomy and Coinage. Mysticism's 20 point science credit can be applied once to the acquisition of each for a total credit of 40 points.
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Keimpe Visser
Netherlands
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DaveD wrote: Keimpe wrote:
Exactly. But the total amount of 10 points in your example, may only be spend ONCE this turn.
No, if you purchase both Agriculture and Pottery in the same turn, they are 2 purchases and the Cloth Making credit can be applied to both.
I don't see that, it says:
Credits may be combined from any number of cards held but no card may contribute Credits twice over in any one purchase
The rules also state that:"Several Civilization Cards may be obtained at the same time if desired"
So at the same time, same purchase. Cards may be used once.
Baffled
Keimpe
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Ron Hills
United States
Grovetown
Georgia
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Keimpe wrote: DaveD wrote: Keimpe wrote:
Exactly. But the total amount of 10 points in your example, may only be spend ONCE this turn.
No, if you purchase both Agriculture and Pottery in the same turn, they are 2 purchases and the Cloth Making credit can be applied to both. I don't see that, it says: Credits may be combined from any number of cards held but no card may contribute Credits twice over in any one purchase So what is a purchase a purchase of a card, or the purchase round. In my dutch rules it says you can only use the poins of a card ONCe in a turn. Baffled Keimpe
The emphasis is that the card may be used only once per purchase, but you are making two individual purchases, not one giant transaction.
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Halesowen Boardgamer
United Kingdom
Halesowen
West Midlands
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Pottery and Cloth making are TWO purchases, see my rules quote in the edited previous post.
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Keimpe Visser
Netherlands
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DaveD wrote: Keimpe wrote:
Exactly. But the total amount of 10 points in your example, may only be spend ONCE this turn.
No, if you purchase both Agriculture and Pottery in the same turn, they are 2 purchases and the Cloth Making credit can be applied to both. AH Rules 17.11 wrote: The same credit from a civilization card can be applied toward different cards in the same turn but it cannot be applied more than once toward the same card. For example, Player B has Mysticism and wishes to acquire two sciences, Astronomy and Coinage. Mysticism's 20 point science credit can be applied once to the acquisition of each for a total credit of 40 points.
Aren't those the Advanced CIvilization rules?
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Halesowen Boardgamer
United Kingdom
Halesowen
West Midlands
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No, Basic game, which in this case are the same as Advanced Civ.
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Keimpe Visser
Netherlands
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Ok, because i cannot find it in the rules provided by BG, although i did find this rule in Advanced Civ. But hey!
That makes purchasing those 7 Civ-cards for the next era a lot easier!
Thanks for clarification.
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Axel Gabe
Germany
Donauwörth
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Interesting issue,
and the german rules (Welt der Spiele) are explicitly different, both to the english version and the so far consensus.
Compare:
"this time MYSTlClSM acting as a Science and the others being special cases. Credits count from the next round after they were acquired."
and the german version:
"In diesem Fall ist MYSTIZISMUS eine Wissenschaft und die anderen stellen spezielle Fälle dar. Eine Gutschrift kann erst in der darauffolgenden Runde wieder für den Kauf einer anderen Karte verwendet werden. Die Gutschrift einer gerade gekauften Karte kann nicht in der gleichen Runde eingesetzt werden."
The first and the last sentence correspond to the english version. However, the sentence in the middle misses there, it translates to:
"Earliest in the next round a credit can be used again to buy another card."
Axel
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