Mike Wene
United States
Unspecified
Michigan
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I know there has been some talk about the markings that indicate second edition. But, what about the change in materials? From bits and pieces I have found, it seems that the second edition was made to be more durable. However, I can't seem to find that statement made clearly and concisely anywhere. And does the second edition have the same rarity ratio as the first edition (i.e., 2 rares per cube)?
Also, there seem to be some sets of 'silver' floating around. Was this part of the second edition? I had seen some information that indicated there were sets made for people that wanted to paint/accent their own dice. Are these sets available to everyone (and where) or were they a special promotional item?
Note: after some of the comments in another thread, I am wondering if these 'silver' sets are actually the green sets that did not get painted well.
Lastly, if DiceSlinger is around, can you update us about your sale site? Is your stock still 100% from the first edition?
I was very excited and interested after seeing these at GenCon this year. But, now after some research and finding the first edition to be made of 'soft' material and the second edition to have quality control issues (possibly confined to the green base sets)....well, given the cost I am very much hesitant now to order any.
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Rufus Mcdufus
United States
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Unspecified
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I will chime in here, as of 2 weeks ago Diceslingers stock was still limited/alpha (I ordered all 8 starters from him...which arrived 2 days after placing the order). I have only had the limiteds for 2 weeks but I've accidently dropped a couple from table level onto hardwood floors and saw no damage or chipping (the purple set) at all. These dice are far from soft and I don't think durability is going to be an issue with this game (at least with the dice). I read a lot of fuss over coddling the dice and protecting them...the only thing I'm worried about protecting is my table! I've been using box lids to roll in. I think you would have to be actively trying to damage these dice in order to actually do so; dropping them from a roof onto concrete, slingshotting them into a brick wall, beating them with a hammer, etc.
Regarding the unlimited/beta dice, it is my understanding they switched from the heavy white miniatures metal to a lighter ZAMAK (I think its a zinc based alloy) from what I recall reading it is slightly lighter, more durable and retains slightly more detail than the white metal. The difference in the pics I saw was really only noticable with the Smasher and the Fortress.
I havent seen betas in person so take what I say with a grain of salt.
I am uncertain about the rare distribution.
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Jeffrey Lee
North Carolina
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Hello All,
First of all, let me say I do not have/sell/own any of the unlimited series. What I do "know" was told to me by Davide more than a few months ago, so if any of this is incorrect, (someone) please chime in below and clarify, thank-you.
There are distinct differences between the sets. The alphas were mold cast (like minitures) and there are some minute differences between the dice, due to flexion in the rubber molds. The unlims are cast in metal molds and are more "perfect" in design/detail.
The alphas were cast out of a heavier metal, silver plated, oxidized, and then painted. The unlims are made out of a harder/lighter material called zanak (sp?). Otherwise, I think the process is/was pretty much the same. On that note, there are significant color/hue variations in the alpha dice (which I do like). I am not sure if that problem (???) still exists with the the unlims. Oh, do not think the alphas are soft, because they are not, they are hard dice, just (probably) not nearly as hard as the unlims.
The silver dice are part of the umlimited series, or are/were released with them. I had spoke to Davide quite a while ago about silver dice, and their possible new abilities, not sure if anything ever became out of that? He had mentioned that he wanted to have some cast in solid silver. I have not priced these dice, so I do not know if they are silver coated or solid. I am satisfied that that can be figured out by the price and the ad concerning them.
With the cubes, the very first cubes (alphas) were a single rare. I spoke to Davide and that was upgraded at the time to 2 rares per box (on the subsequent alpha printings i.e. what I own). I opened 8 of these cubes myself, what I found was 6 cubes containing 2 rares, 1 cube containing 1 rare, and 1 cube containing 3 (three) rares. Still, with the variances, in the ones I have opened, the average was 2 rares. From the ads I have seen with the unlimited series, they are back at 1 rare per box.
In summary, if you are looking for a perfect die, more exacting, and collectability is not an issue, you want the unlims. If you are looking for something that is more varied, and has definite limited quatities (i.e. actually 50k made, and only about 30 of each rare made) you want the alpha/limited series.
Reguarding price, unless there is someplace I do not know about, I think I sell cheaper than anyone, but I only have alphas/limited. I still have stock of cubes and packs.
"keep the dice rolling"
-DiceSlinger.
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Mike Wene
United States
Unspecified
Michigan
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Thanks Jeff. That was very informative.
I was partially hoping the "second edition is better" crowd would show up to sway my decision, but they didn't and your info seems to counter most of hte fears I have read.
Of your stock would you be willing to tell us your inventory? Specifically wondering about cubes and sticks at this point. I assume the base sets will linger a bit longer than the cubes and sticks so we all need to have an idea of when the limited print run is drying up. I wouldnt want to buy into 1st edition only to find out they are then gone and I have to back fill with unlimiteds.
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Peter Rabinowitz
United States
Columbia
New Jersey
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Are you still currently selling dice? Your website seems to be completely lacking any information at the moment.
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Hi all, just to add some info.
Rares should be 1 per cube or at "leat" one die x cube, but we used to add one every now and then so it happens to be 2 but is officially 1.
Unlimited dice are steel cast (as Jeff says, hi Jeff) and made of Zamak (mostly Zync alloy) , are silver plated and painted twice with enamel and transparent cover, you can tell them apart from Limited or "alphas" as they have a small circle on the 1 face.
Limited also are very expensive to make (like miniatures, plus plating, color etc), and that's why they are limited and no more into production. Zamak is lighter , stronger and cheaper (plating and varnish is almost still the same and that add quite a lot to the final price). On the other side Limited are no more in production and have a very special look on the color , some prefer them and the price Jeff is giving is definitely appealing as we do not practice those conditions anymore to any seller, as i told before that was a very special price to market test the product. I keep my own personal Limited collection locked in the vault, as those molds are gone for good. I'm just sorry i don't have a complete limited rare series, i didn't think this could happen.
So far never printed a solid silver dice, it's price would be quite high.
silver variants was a special request by distributors, to game purpose they count as white atm. There's also antique brass and copper and they are counted as yellow and orange (incredible!).
We will see if to create a special game category or use multiple finish to represent same color. Not all new dice will be done for the Irondie game, so we are adding color combinations and platings, for the fashion victims.
best to all
D
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