Martin Lange
Germany
Hannover
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Referring to 2nd version of rules.
1) While for retreating corps it is explictitely mentioned that corps retreating in winter are subject to march attrition, this is not mentioned for withdrawing corps (although mountains and marsh areas are mentioned for both). I think this should consequently also apply to withdrawing corps.
2) For corps which have to be replaced out of a country when it surrenders to the other side, there is no mention of march attrition either. But since I think that these corps have to march there and not simply beam or fly :), it would only be logical if they are also subject to march attrition like retreating corps, maybe even multiple times, depending on how far they have to be moved to achieve the replacement.
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1) I'd say yes
2) Rules:
Quote:
When a major country surrenders, it becomes
neutral, and all its remaining corps must be removed from
the gameboard. A neutral alignment marker is placed on its
capital area.
Exception: If a previously, but not currently, insurgent
major country surrenders to the French player, it
automatically becomes a French dominion
You just remove all the surrendering troops from the game board.
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Martin Lange
Germany
Hannover
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I'm not referring to the corps of the country that just surrendered. It's about the corps which were allied to that country and now are still in the country, and the rules say they have to be repositioned. I don't have the rules in front of me now so I don't know exactly where this rule is in the surrender section, but I'm pretty sure it's there.
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granadino_aleman wrote: I'm not referring to the corps of the country that just surrendered. It's about the corps which were allied to that country and now are still in the country, and the rules say they have to be repositioned. I don't have the rules in front of me now so I don't know exactly where this rule is in the surrender section, but I'm pretty sure it's there.
Yeah, you are right. Rules:
Quote: 14.2.3 Each foreign corps previously allied to the
surrendering major country and present in any of the latter’s
areas is removed to the Prisoners Box if it is surrounded by
enemy-occupied areas or the sea. Otherwise it must be
immediately placed in the nearest enemy-free, friendly-
controlled area, regardless of where the latter is. If Britannia
is in effect, then one Coalition corps of any nationality
occupying a coastal area may also be repositioned as if it were
retreating by sea (see 13.4.2.4).
So, no attrition. I guess they are not in a hurry 
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Martin Lange
Germany
Hannover
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Quote: So, no attrition. I guess they are not in a hurry :D
Exactly, but I found this to be quite counter-intuitive. They may have to be "moved" (I know they are not moved, only "replaced", but the imagination still is that they must move somehow to get there) several areas, while a retreating coprs only moves one area, but are not subject to march attrition., which seems to be odd to me. It feels like if they were guarded by their enemies towards the boarder :).
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Pete Gelman
United States
Portland
Oregon
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granadino_aleman wrote: Quote: So, no attrition. I guess they are not in a hurry Exactly, but I found this to be quite counter-intuitive. They may have to be "moved" (I know they are not moved, only "replaced", but the imagination still is that they must move somehow to get there) several areas, while a retreating coprs only moves one area, but are not subject to march attrition., which seems to be odd to me. It feels like if they were guarded by their enemies towards the boarder  .
I see what you mean. I was thinking that they were, more or less, different groups of men--not just changing uniforms, but reflecting different factions, funding, generals, intrigue.
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