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Subject: Rock 'n Roll Wargame: The Hidden Coolness of City Fight rss

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Kev.
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love this game and still own two copies of it.
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General Dominique-Joseph René Vandamme, Count of Unseburg (5 November 1770, Cassel, Nord – 15 July 1830)
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Cool. cool
Could V. Zandt be Townes Van Zandt?
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Not the first game fulla puns SPI put out,
but damn, this one's the coolest.
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Nice work...would've never known. I, too, loved this game back in the day but lost the rules at school! Who the heck wouldn't return City-Fight rules?!?! There were only 5 or 6 known wargamers in our small school... Still watching for a decent copy on eBay.
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Those counter names are one hell of a cool find. Making that kind of statement in 1979 seems more significant than it would if it happened today. The developer or designer (whoever assigned those names) was listening to music that was still on the fringe. Punk and ska weren't something some hipster could score internet cool points by talking about or listening to, this was lifestyle music. In an SPI game no less. When I think about SPI contributors the image that comes to mind is straight-laced old guys in bad 70s clothes, not 70's punk rockers.

The Voidoids? Are you kidding me? Killer find, Peter.
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A lot of the younger designers in that period were
VERY young. In this case though, we have Joseph M. Balkoski,
who was 25, and Stephen A. Donaldson at 33 - which seems a
bit old for the genre, UNTIL you read his bio here:

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Stephen A. Donaldson, also known as Robert Anthony Martin, Jr. and Donny the Punk
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I don't think I'd like Lydon backing me in a tight situation,but Strummer on the other hand...
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Did you visit my www.kobudovenlo.nl? It has game info
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Harkonnen13 wrote:
When I think about SPI contributors the image that comes to mind is straight-laced old guys in bad 70s clothes, not 70's punk rockers.
That's what the wargamers look like now. Even punkers age.

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What a rich vein of punnery!

Do the troops load their Celebate Rifles with Magazine/s?

Do the use nightsights, or prefer X-Ray Spex?

When the Suicide Commandos are in trouble, do they Radio Birdman?

Move more quickly than the The Minutemen in sending a Rocket to Russia
, or just keep reading Search and Destroy?

Later at night there is the Joy Division...

Now for those with wit and cleverness to take over.
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Roger Hobden
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Good Eye !

Congratulations.

Now where is my copy of Cityfight: Modern Combat in the Urban Environment ? whistle
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No such LUV for hippies...
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Fantastic find.

I've got a copy of this somewhere in my lofy, will have to dig it out for some mixed rock'n'roll and old school wargaming nostalgia.
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Aka, the Guildford Stranglers (an earlier less cool incarnation, can't think why they changed it) but incorporating the town of my birth and where jjb apparently went to the local grammar school until kicked out. Heard various versions of that.
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Never even heard of that game - but very cool names!
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I can honestly say I never thought I would see the day when "The Stranglers" were mentioned on BGG. LOL!

Thanks for the memories Peter. You, sir, know your music!
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My brother was a playtester for this game. He passed a few years ago so I can't ask him or verify but on a couple of these, I think you might be mistaken.

I recall that because they playtested, they got to submit names for the counters. The "Zimmer" and "Stinger" counters are the last names of two of his best friends who were not wargamers. That seems to make sense to me given that Zimmerman and Sting were a stretch anyway. I do know that he would have had nothing to do with any punk rock references since the Rolling Stones are about as non-commercial as his rock and roll tastes ventured.

So my guess is that another playtest group who WERE punk music fans probably sent in all of those names that you mentioned.
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One of the scenarios in the game is called "London's Burning". Here's the introduction:

"This scenario is a riot. It all starts off with a big mob at a punk rock concert in the Hammerscythe Palace, fired up by one of the better groups, and sent out into the world with the urge to burn...

It is the punks' objective to burn, loot, and pillage. It is the police objective to contain the mayhem. It is the players' objective to have fun."

That one might make an entertaining session report.
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Well, that shoots down my theory that it was a playtest group. Must have been one or more of the designers/developers. Rock on! :cool:
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I can only think that the designer liked Foxton, who is a genuinely nice guy and thought Weller was an arrogant tosser/poser who sold out. Not my opinion, just the opinion of people l know who have met him
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Roger Hobden
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Capt_S wrote:
I can honestly say I never thought I would see the day when "The Stranglers" were mentioned on BGG. LOL!

Thanks for the memories Peter. You, sir, know your music!


This song from the Stranglers is clearly about Nazis, Fascism etc. and deserves a prominent place on the Wargame Forum of BGG. arrrh

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I also see Commander Shernov is fighting for the Soviets. Andy Shernov from the Dictators? And Holmstrom the Punk magazine illustrator gets a nod too.
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"Robinson" might be Tom Robinson of the eponymous band.

This is such a cool thread.
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Jimmy Pursey was the frontman of Sham 69.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udo8ti20wFE&t=1m21s
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I think I can shed some light on this. I'm a game designer (I run Green Ronin Publishing) but I'm also a long time punk. Twenty years ago I was living in New York City and I helped run a non-profit punk club and arts space called ABC No Rio (which is still there and still doing shows). One of the people I met in the NY scene was Donny the Punk. He was, to put it mildly, a character. Just give his Wikipedia page a skim and you'll see what I mean:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Donaldson_(activist)

So one day Donny and I were talking at ABC and he was asking me what I was up to. This was in my early days of RPG freelancing and explaining roleplaying games to my punk friends was often a challenge. But Donny lights up and says, "Oh, gaming! I used to design wargames for SPI."

He then proceeded to tell me how he had done a game in which all the commanders were named after people from punk bands. No one at SPI, of course, had a clue.

I always remembered that story but not the name of the game. Donny passed away (a victim of AIDS) in 1996 so I never had a chance to ask him again. I'm glad this thread appeared, so I can track down a copy.

Chris Pramas
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Roger Hobden
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What a great story !

I wonder how may games have stories like that one ?

This could be the start of a geeklist ?

Can't get geekier then this !

EDIT: just read the story of "Donny The Punk" : THAT story is not so great ... more tragic really, but illustrates very well the contradictions of the so-called "advanced" societies we live in ...
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