erik share
United States
New York
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So i know the original is called shogun, which is very hard to find also it comes with the 5 swords. So is there only 1 ikusa set? or are there 2 versions? if there are two does either ikusa come with the swords? also do all of them come with castles and fortifications? and lastly what does the ninja do exactly?
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Guido Gloor
Switzerland
Ostermundigen
Bern
The statement below is false.
The statement above is correct.
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sharebear wrote: So i know the original is called shogun, which is very hard to find also it comes with the 5 swords. So is there only 1 ikusa set? or are there 2 versions?
There's the new Ikusa, the older versions are called Shogun and Samurai Swords.
sharebear wrote: if there are two does either ikusa come with the swords?
Nope. Ikusa has no swords.
sharebear wrote: also do all of them come with castles and fortifications?
Yes.
sharebear wrote: and lastly what does the ninja do exactly?
If you are the one who bid most for it, you can either look at what somebody else plans in a turn, or attempt to assassinate one of their Daimyo.
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jefF, There are some who call me... DuneKitteh
United States
Wood Dale
Illinois
Useless rollover, booya! Dune Kitty says, "deal with it."
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sharebear wrote: So i know the original is called shogun, which is very hard to find also it comes with the 5 swords. So is there only 1 ikusa set? or are there 2 versions? if there are two does either ikusa come with the swords? also do all of them come with castles and fortifications? and lastly what does the ninja do exactly?
(I own all three versions, just FYI)
3 editions; Shogun, and Samurai Swords, both which were released in the 1980's, and Ikusa which just came out this year.
Except for name title graphics, Shogun and Samurai Swords are completely identical (both of those come with the swords). Essentially Ikusa is too, as there are no rule, map or component changes that affect game play. The main thing Ikusa did was replace the turn swords with chits to draw for player order, change to new colors for the players (which some think are harder to distinguish between each other than in the original game, which is debatable - YMMV) and new graphics/map/rulebook (identical in functionality and layout, no rules were changed, just jazzed up a bit). Essentially all three versions will play exactly the same, it's really just about preference and availability. If the plastic swords don't make a difference to you, Ikusa is likely the way to go based on price/availability.
The Ninja has 2 functions in the game. You bid to hire the ninja on your turn and have him to use the next turn - you can only use him for one of the two functions but you don't have to decide/declare in advance how you wish to use him (and, in my experience, I've changed my mind a good 1/3 of the time I've hired him). Function 1 is to spy on a players koku (money) allocation before you make yours (and, they can't change theirs). Strategically, it can help to know where another player's money is being spent on their turn. The second function is to assassinate 1 of another player's Daimyo (general). As armies battle, the generals gain experience and can become pretty formidable with the added movement bonuses and attack/battle quantities (you can attack up to 3 different times a turn with the same army group) applied to the armies. You can really start rolling over opponents with full armies under experienced generals. If your ninja succeeds in assassinating and experienced Daimyo general they lose all of that and it can be a huge blow to the military strength of an opponent.
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Damo
Australia
Hobart
Tasmania
Plastic & Shiney!
Don't try this in a B-17!
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midnightmadness wrote:
Except for name title graphics, Shogun and Samurai Swords are completely identical (both of those come with the swords). Essentially Ikusa is too, as there are no rule, map or component changes that affect game play.
From a previous thread (I don't own Ikusa and the link to the Ikusa Rules on Avolon's web page is broken) I thought that the ninja was now no longer able to kill an enemy daimyo just before or during the battle phase.
If so, that's a significant change.
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