Erik Nicely
United States
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A 7 AP Pool is mentioned in the rules for Shared Activations and Group Actions, where do the AP in this pool come from, specifically? Is it spread equally among all units in the group?
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matt feldman
United States
Maple Valley
Washington
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Harkonnen13 wrote: A 7 AP Pool is mentioned in the rules for Shared Activations and Group Actions, where do the AP in this pool come from, specifically? Is it spread equally among all units in the group?
when you activate, you get 7ap. when those ap are gone, all units used as part of that activation are spent. where do the ap come from? that's a weird question...i'd say they come from the activation. you can spend them as you like, for group actions or individual actions of units used as part of the activation.
but no, they don't need to be spread equally. for instance if one unit was active, and you felt the need to bring in another unit for some reason, the second one need only spend one ap to be part of the group and thus spent when the ap pool is depleted.
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James Palmer
Canada
Kitchener
Ontario
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The APs aren't "spread" - rather they are "shared". So if one unit uses an AP, then that AP is unavailable for all units in the shared activation.
Generally you don't do shared activations unless you're going to do group actions, where all units do their actions simultaneously and gain a benefit from every action. Otherwise you end up with units who don't get to do anything because other units have used up all the AP. (Note, I do say "generally", there are some odd examples where you might want to do this, but not usually.)
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Erik Nicely
United States
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jojobinks wrote:
that's a weird question...
No, not really a weird question but kind of a weird answer.
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Erik Nicely
United States
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Felkor wrote: The APs aren't "spread" - rather they are "shared". So if one unit uses an AP, then that AP is unavailable for all units in the shared activation.
Generally you don't do shared activations unless you're going to do group actions, where all units do their actions simultaneously and gain a benefit from every action. Otherwise you end up with units who don't get to do anything because other units have used up all the AP. (Note, I do say "generally", there are some odd examples where you might want to do this, but not usually.)
Thanks. Those "shared" AP in the pool aren't assigned and taken from any Track Sheet though, correct? More or less "free" as a function of the Shared Action?
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matt feldman
United States
Maple Valley
Washington
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Harkonnen13 wrote: jojobinks wrote:
that's a weird question...
No, not really a weird question but kind of a weird answer.
k. now i'm super-glad i tried to help.
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M Evan Brooks
United States
Gainesville
Virginia
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Harkonnen13 wrote: Thanks. Those "shared" AP in the pool aren't assigned and taken from any Track Sheet though, correct? More or less "free" as a function of the Shared Action?
Actually, they are not "free". Think of them as belonging to a unit that has its 7 APs, only now it belongs to a grouping of however many units that share the "group".
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James Palmer
Canada
Kitchener
Ontario
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evanbrooks wrote: Harkonnen13 wrote: Thanks. Those "shared" AP in the pool aren't assigned and taken from any Track Sheet though, correct? More or less "free" as a function of the Shared Action? Actually, they are not "free". Think of them as belonging to a unit that has its 7 APs, only now it belongs to a grouping of however many units that share the "group".
This is correct - you'll still have the APs shown on the track sheet.
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Erik Nicely
United States
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evanbrooks wrote:
Actually, they are not "free". Think of them as belonging to a unit that has its 7 APs, only now it belongs to a grouping of however many units that share the "group".
Ok, got it. My initial thought was that the 7 AP in the pool had to be assigned to actual units in the Shared Activation and subtracted as needed from any units being activated. I was probably reading what is not in the rules instead of what is. You guys have set me straight.
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Lewis Karl
United States
Vienna
Virginia
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evanbrooks wrote: Harkonnen13 wrote: Thanks. Those "shared" AP in the pool aren't assigned and taken from any Track Sheet though, correct? More or less "free" as a function of the Shared Action? Actually, they are not "free". Think of them as belonging to a unit that has its 7 APs, only now it belongs to a grouping of however many units that share the "group".
That's right.
When you activate one unit it gets 7 AP on the sheet and when the APs are used, the unit is spent.
In the simplest case, when you activate two or more units in a group, they all get one pool of 7 AP on the sheet. When that 7 AP is used up, all units in the group (all units that share that pool of APs) is spent.
Then you can imagine more complicated scenarios, say when you activate one unit and then add another unit to the group. When you add a unit to another unit to form a group or you add a unit to an existing group, you share the current AP pool on the sheet. So even if that added unit only gets the benefit of 5 or 6 AP points, it is spent when the shared pool runs out.
So the reason your original question was strange is that the 7 AP only ever comes from activating units. There are no free APs for shared activations. But, group activation is a difficult rule to grasp. Rereading the examples in the rule book really helps.
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Willem Boersma
Netherlands
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It's actually very simple:
As always, you get 7APs. However, rather than one unit getting to spend them, all units forming part of the group have to share them, so indeed as James said normally you won't want to do this: 3 individual units would have 3x7 APs = 21 APs, if you activate them as one group those same three units would only have 7 APs between them.
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Jan van der Laan
Netherlands
Leeuwarden
Friesland
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boersma8 wrote: ...so indeed as James said normally you won't want to do this: 3 individual units would have 3x7 APs = 21 APs, if you activate them as one group those same three units would only have 7 APs between them.
That's true, however by using, for instance, a group move you can move several units while your opponent can react only once. Sometimes that's an advantage. Or combining the FP of two or more units to attack an opposing unit (in the form of group fire) can give you the needed firepower to hit or better: directly wipe out the enemy. So there are valid reasons to use group actions or shared activations.
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Willem Boersma
Netherlands
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Jan van der Laan wrote: boersma8 wrote: ...so indeed as James said normally you won't want to do this: 3 individual units would have 3x7 APs = 21 APs, if you activate them as one group those same three units would only have 7 APs between them. That's true, however by using, for instance, a group move you can move several units while your opponent can react only once. Sometimes that's an advantage. Or combining the FP of two or more units to attack an opposing unit (in the form of group fire) can give you the needed firepower to hit or better: directly wipe out the enemy. So there are valid reasons to use group actions or shared activations.
Exactly. Those are some of the exceptions james spoke of.
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