Chad McCoy
United States
Cleveland
Ohio
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This is our favorite game, but we went quite awhile without having enough people to play it and when we were finally able to sit down with it again, my wife and I suddenly remembered differently how we had always played it with respect to the issue of distance.
Here's how I understand it:
Let's say I have two people sitting to my left: person A (at a distance of 1) and person B (at a distance of 2)
At the start of the game, with only the standard six-shooter, I can only reach person A.
Now let’s say I end up with a scope.
Now, person A is still 1 away from me, but now player B is also only 1 away from me.
As I understand it, the scope only modifies my gun, and therefore only cards with the “range” symbol of the single hat in the crosshairs (this symbol is on the bang cards and the pepperbox card).
The scope does not modify the cards with the symbol of the number 1 in the crosshairs, which can only be played on the players to your immediate left or right (unless they have played a mustang or hideout, in which case you cannot play these cards on them at all).
What this means is that I can play the Panic card on person A, but not on person B (even though I have the scope, because the scope only modifies cards with the “in range” symbol – not the “distance of 1” symbol).
Incidentally, this also means that I can use the Volcanic card on Player A, but not on Player B.
Now my wife says that you can use a Panic and Volcanic card on anyone within range of your gun.
However, this would allow you to punch Player B, who is so far away that you cannot even see him without a scope. It also means the little derringer can end up with a range of 4 or 5, and that you can reach out to steal player’s equipment with Panic cards who are far from you. These actions do not make sense.
That’s why I believe that if a card has a “distance of 1” symbol on it, I interpret that as meaning a literal, unchanging distance of 1, and this number cannot be modified.
I cannot Punch player B, even though I have a scope which brings him within range of my gun.
I cannot play a Panic card on Player B, etc.
I guess another way to put it might be: “range” cards (hat in crosshairs) can be modified by guns and horses, while “distance of 1” cards (1 in crosshairs) can only be modified by horses.
I would like to know which is correct.
Thanks
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Nate Cannon
United States
Garland
Texas
I came. I saw.
I lost miserably.
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While I can't quote the rules, I have always played the other way. We always played that the scope (formerly the appaloosa) would affect all range effects including the distance 1. This was more thematic when it was the horse as you could always rush in and out. Of course that also meant that sometimes you were riding two horses, and it could be 3 if you had Silver from Dodge City. Putting a scope on a knife to get a better distance makes no less sense than the old way. I will have to wait for someone else to comment from the rules. I look forward to the comments.
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brian
United States
Cedar Lake
Indiana
Mourning the end of the Manning era.
Welcome baby brother Toby James, 03/24, 8 lb. 15 oz.
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The Scope/Appaloosa subtracts 1 distance from you to everyone else when you attack them. In other words, everyone is one seat closer to you. this counts for things that say you are physically 1-seat away - they now become 1-seat away. This does not change how people see you though.
This means with nothing else in play, your left and right hand neighbor physically 1 seat away are now zero seats away and can still be hit by the Volcanic. The neighbors to each of them that were formally 2 seats away are 1 seat away with the scope and can also be hit with the Volcanic.
The other horse is a defensive horse and adds seats between you and other people when they attack you. I think these could have been better worded as they do cause so much confusion.
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Chad McCoy
United States
Cleveland
Ohio
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Ok, can you commnt on how this affects the Panic card?
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Radosław Michalak
Poland
Tychy
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Quote: Mustang
When you have a Mustang horse in play the distance between
other players and you is increased by 1. However, you still
see the other players at the normal distance.
Example. In the figure of the distance, if Ann (A) has a Mustang
in play, Ben (B) and Flo (F) would see her at a distance of 2,
Carl (C) and Emma (E) at a distance of 3, and Dan (D) at a
distance of 4, while Ann would continue seeing all the other
players at the normal distance.
Quote: Scope
When you have a Scope in play, you see all the other players
at a distance decreased by 1. However, other players still
see you at the normal distance. Distances less than 1 are
considered to be 1.
Example. In the figure of the distance, if Ann (A) has a Scope
in play, she would see Ben (B) and Flo (F) at a distance of
1, Carl (C) and Emma (E) at a distance of 1, Dan (D) at a
distance of 2, while Ann would be seen by other players at a
normal distance.
Mustang/Hideout and Appaloosa/Silver/Scope/Binoculars are the opposite cards. They are the only cards which affect the distance you see others or others see you.
Guns are totally diffrent. They indicates on what distance you can shoot (you resolve it after determining distance).
When you want to use card with specified distance you have to consider both Mustang.. and Scope...
When you want to shoot (or any thing else with "at a reachable distance") you have to consider starting distance, distance modifiers and at the end yuor gun.
I think that's everything about this 
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Australia
Melbourne
Victoria
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FALCON1717 wrote: Ok, can you commnt on how this affects the Panic card?
Sorry, I see everyone has thrown lots of words at you without answering that question.
In the official Bang FAQ, the game creator specifically says that the Panic card *is* affected by distance-changing cards (scope, horses, etc) but not by weapons.
Maybe for the theme you could consider Panico (holdup) + scope = ambush ?
It always disappoints me that the over-powered Volcanic can be extended via scope, horses, etc.
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Radosław Michalak
Poland
Tychy
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I think the point is not to just answer yes/no.
He is a person who can think. So I think the point is to let him understand what is behind this yes/no.
If somebody asks question like this it doesn't mean we have to think because it's to hard for him. It means he is missing something and he need more information to understand the answer not to remember next information with no sense.
And I think if you read my previous post with thinking the answer is there
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FALCON1717 wrote: Now my wife says that you can use a Panic and Volcanic card on anyone within range of your gun.
The Volcanic is a gun. You can only have one gun in play at any time. Your Volcanic can shoot up to a distance of 1, which can be extended by the binoculars or scope up to 2, or both for up to 3.
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Radosław Michalak
Poland
Tychy
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Lord Chambers wrote: FALCON1717 wrote: Now my wife says that you can use a Panic and Volcanic card on anyone within range of your gun. The Volcanic is a gun. You can only have one gun in play at any time. Your Volcanic can shoot up to a distance of 1, which can be extended by the binoculars or scope up to 2, or both for up to 3.
Another dangerous sentence. Scope and binoculars allows you to see more players at distance 1 (which extends your Volcanic/Panic usability).
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