Concealed Unit in Flak Hex (Hellfire Pass) | Tide of Iron: Days of the Fox

James

(grahamj)

Canada

Is a concealed squad in the same hex as the Flak Gun revealed when the Flak Gun fires?

Posted Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:22 pm
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clive holland

(dutchy124)

Thailand
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Without having the rules in front of me to check, I would say no the unit is not revealed. When a unit in the same hex activates a AT gun, that unit is not fatigued, surely saying that the firing unit does not actually fire itself, therefore the concealed unit would not be firing either.

Posted Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:42 pm
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James

(grahamj)

Canada

Thanks, that's the way we played the scenario.

Posted Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:33 am
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Nolfke nolf

(nolfke)

When you fire the gun you have to get out of the sandbags.
When you get out of the sandbags you leave cover.
With no cover you are revealed.
You can't get out the sandbags and fire either, because thats a fire and move action.

Posted Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:29 pm
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René Christensen

(Slotracer)

Denmark
Solroed Strand

I have just been at the Imperial War Museum, London and they had a bend rifle to shot from cover!!!! whistle

Last edited Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:36 pm (Total Number of Edits: 1)
Posted Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:36 pm
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clive holland

(dutchy124)

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Nolfke, can you tell me where in the rules it says that?

Posted Sat Nov 26, 2011 1:42 am
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James

(grahamj)

Canada

The way my opponent and I agreed upon was that the concealed infantry unit located with the Flak Guns did not lose their concealment when firing the Flak Gun. This meant that the British had to move adjacent to the Flak Guns in order for the conealed infantry to be revealed. Needless to say the Flak Guns managed to destroy most of the British tanks and not enough time was left for the rest of the troops to make it to the Flak Guns. If only the Brits had Smoke to provide some kind of cover it may have been possible I don't know.
Hellfire Pass is a tough scenario for the Brits and with only 6 turns (I belive it was 6 turns)there is no room to Dilly Dally that's for sure.

Posted Sat Nov 26, 2011 3:11 am
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Nolfke nolf

(nolfke)

look at p5 of days of the fox
consentrated fire, botom row and the important note below

Posted Mon Nov 28, 2011 6:09 pm
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clive holland

(dutchy124)

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OK Nolfke pretty clear there, but on page 8 of Fury And The Bear it says ''Squads that are in an entrenchment, (but not a pillbox or a trench), CAN be used to activate equipment in the same hex''

Two differnt expansions and they say the complete opposite to each other. I think an official explanation is required.

Posted Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:29 am
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Chris Hillery

(Ceej)

United States
Sacramento
California

Fortunately, the official explanation is already available - See the "Days of the Fox" section of the Official FAQ v1.5:

Quote:

The following rules changes should be made for equipment:
• Equipment units in the same hex as at least 1 entrenchment gain +1 cover. Equipment units do not gain any cover from pillboxes in the same hex.
• Squads that are in an entrenchment (but not a pillbox) may be used to activate equipment in the same hex.

Which is the same wording as used in the Fury of the Bear expansion.

Slightly further in the same FAQ:

Quote:

Q: If a concealed squad is used to operate an anti-tank gun, is it revealed or does stay in hidden?
A: The concealed squad would stay hidden.

Which answers the original question as well!

Last edited Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:38 am (Total Number of Edits: 1)
Posted Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:36 am
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clive holland

(dutchy124)

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Well spotted Chris.

Posted Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:34 am
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Nolfke nolf

(nolfke)

and i tought it was hard to win with the GB units with my old rules....

Posted Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:24 pm
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