When assigning dice, why wait until after all dice are assigned before claiming resources? Wouldn't it speed things up to assign the dice and claim resources at the same time? Are there special abilities that kick-in after dice are assigned but before resources are claimed?

Secondly, why build in turn order? Can't you just have everyone build simultaneously (assuming, of course that you trust the people you game with)?

When assigning dice, why wait until after all dice are assigned before claiming resources? Wouldn't it speed things up to assign the dice and claim resources at the same time?

Secondly, why build in turn order? Can't you just have everyone build simultaneously (assuming, of course that you trust the people you game with)?

I've read the rules to Kingsburg but I've not yet played (it's supposed to be a Christmas present, but so was Skyrim, and I didn't wait for Christmas morn for that one, so my wife is making me wait for this one).

But after reading the rules, it seems that there are two areas that could make the game drag on longer than normal.

When assigning dice, why wait until after all dice are assigned before claiming resources?

Wouldn't it speed things up to assign the dice and claim resources at the same time? Are there special abilities that kick-in after dice are assigned but before resources are claimed?

Secondly, why build in turn order? Can't you just have everyone build simultaneously (assuming, of course that you trust the people you game with)?

I've been going through my head how I'll explain the rules to the various people I game with, so if I can insert these short cuts, I will.

Thanks.

When i place my first die on the 4, i may take wood or gold. But what i need most might depend on what i'm able to get with the other die placements in the same turn. If i had to claim immediately, i might need to think longer about what will happen later in the turn, so your suggestion will likely prolong the game.

Thanks for the replies. Now I see the method in the madness. I'll be sure to avoid those short cuts.

Like some others have said, the main reason to wait on collecting resources is because the decision can be contingent on what other resources you get. Some earlier posters have written this off as a minor issue, but I feel it's a pretty big one. Many of the advisors have an "either/or" or "your choice" component, and it's often important to know what else you're getting that turn before making your decision. This becomes extremely important in later rounds when building something almost every turn becomes more difficult.

what does it break when the game results are unchanged?

You're breaking the game. There are many games that run faster if you ignore the rules and do things whenever you want. So?

If your results are unchanged, you are not executing space 6 correctly.

If your results are unchanged, you are not executing space 6 correctly.

To the OP, the way I teach it is "technically these resolve in number order once everything's been placed, but if you already know what you want when you place, feel free to grab it as soon as you put your dice there."

adding a non-trivial amount of playtime to the game by processing things one at a time, in order, every turn is a good way to make the game less enjoyable, in most groups.

How short is a trivial amount of playtime?
Handing out the ressources and taking back the dice might need an additional 0.5 seconds per advisor, compared with just taking back the dice; but i doubt it's that high. Even then, we're talking about less than a minute difference for a complete game.

Whenever a player has to make a choice about what to receive from an advisor (advisors 4, 6, 7, 9, 11, 12, 14, 17), if others have to wait on the player to make that choice before collecting their own resources, that slows down the game for as long as it takes each player before them to decide.

Also, the OP included building in turn order in his query, which again takes as long as it takes each player (in turn order) to decide what they want to build that turn.

In a five-player game that can be a significant (many minutes) amount of play time, even without a high level of AP.

Whenever a player has to make a choice about what to receive from an advisor (advisors 4, 6, 7, 9, 11, 12, 14, 17), if others have to wait on the player to make that choice before collecting their own resources, that slows down the game for as long as it takes each player before them to decide.

Also, the OP included building in turn order in his query, which again takes as long as it takes each player (in turn order) to decide what they want to build that turn.

It slows down the game when they are taking the ressources in player order, but not if they grab then in a row in advisor order?
I think it's the opposite. If each player gets the ressources when he playes the dice, you can't really continue to play before he decides, to avoid major confusion about the game state.

This is a great point and I should point out that when we play we don't pick up goods as soon as we influence an advisor; instead we influence all advisors, then just grab our goods simultaneously afterward

When assigning dice, why wait until after all dice are assigned before claiming resources? Wouldn't it speed things up to assign the dice and claim resources at the same time?

That's not what we were discussing. This thread began with

I was pointing out that that was wrong.