sam zitin
United States
Indiana
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I won't say the prevailing thought says, but there are definitely a lot of online Blood Bowl communities that are convinced that there is going to be a new boxed set in 2012 from GW. Rumor has it that it's going to be blood bowl.
I'm not necessarily asking what people want to see IN the box (though that conversation is nice too) but what does GW need to do to make a new blood bowl release as big a splash as (at the least) Dreadfleet or (hopefully bigger than) Space Hulk?
Russ Wakelin of the D6G recently touted BB as the "best boardgame Games Workshop has ever done" on his top 10 list on the Dice tower top 10 fantasy games where it came in at #2. I happen to agree with his assessment and I'd love to see a huge push from them to reawaken the nascent market for this game. That being said, here are my things I think they need to do to really make a splash with a Blood bowl 2012 release.
1. It must have individual sculpts of Space Hulk quality minis.
- I think the only reason they'd bother to even make another game with minis as opposed to cardboard counters (and let Fantasy Flight do it) is because they could do some rockin minis like they did with Space Hulk and get a lot of the GW faithful to buy it on that basis alone.
2. They must include more than 2 teams.
- I think one of the things they'll have to get going for them is to counteract the belief (justifiable one) that the game is "only good" in leagues with lots of variety. Including more than 2 teams in the box would contribute GREATLY to the variety and replayability out of the box and make it a more attractive alternative to board rather than mini gamers.
3. They must include a 4 player variant, possibly a 4 player board
- Again, playability for the boardgaming set out of the box being a priority. The ability to include rules to support multiple player counts from 2-4 would make this MUCH more attractive to boardgamers. Including a crossroads pitch (as is a popular variant) would be great for this purpose.
4. They must include a nice bound copy of the current rulebook
- The current rules set has been pretty stable for the last few years now (something that could not be said for many years) and the rules are fairly well established and permanent as well because of the Cyanide studios game. Including a nice rule book would be an instant draw for long time players who just have laserjet printed copies.
5. Most importantly, they must include rules/scenarios/pre advanced and balanced teams to enhance single session play.
- Blood Bowl aficionados will tell you that Blood Bowl is at it's best in a league, where you develop your team over time. It's true, and it's all well and good, but that doesn't take away from the joy and excitement of a single well balanced game. I'd say GW needs to include this type of experience out of the box for the game to have a significant splash among the larger boardgame set. If they included a variety of pre-advanced and balanced team rosters (at various levels of advancement) they would play out like scenarios in something like Space Hulk and add a huge amount of play out of the box without the work of "investing" time into a team. It may not be quite as satisfying as actually seeing them advance, but for a lot of us gamers with not so much time it would work very well.
So those are my thoughts! I would love to know what others think as well. The stars are right for a big box reprint I'd say. There is a big community introduced to it through the video game who has never played tabletop, there is a huge uptick in interest from the Team Manager card game, it's been years since any significant publicity was done for it and the current product line, and the rulebook is finally in a stable form, and I think based on their past two big box releases that GW has bitten the bullet and is once again embracing their boardgame roots and using it to grow their customer base.
Heres to hoping for 2012!
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Dr. Love
United States
Tucson
Arizona
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I'd have to say I would be very happy if GW released an anniversay edition exactly as you decribe.
I'd love a four player board (the Deathball pitch!), and why not Dungeonball and Streetball, too.
As far as other than the classic Human and Orc teams in the box, I'd agree at least two more teams -- maybe Skavens and Dwarfs, or Elves and Chaos pact. I wouldn't care about new sculpts, they can finecast the ones they already have, and I'd be okay with that. I could go on and on, but I think the point of having four teams, a deluxe or expandable board, and special 'introductory/deluxey' release, and a nice printing of the current ruleset, would be nice.
And if they did all that and hung a hefty price tag on it, as much as I'd grumble (mostly to myslef in my sleep as I've been told). I'd still get one.
Here's why: the basic BB game, even in one-off games is fun. It can be a laugh out loud riot. In a league set up, it's becomnes a MORE dynamic game. And still can be a laugh out loud riot of a game.
I own a majority of the teams available from years of play and buying, I have a nice 40mm pitch (playing board), lots of nice NAF dice and WEST COAST QUAKE dice(shout out to daloonieshaman, I LOVE YOU, MAN!), but I really like the idea of a nice, deluxe, spiffy, all in one package, to be able to give as a gift, to share with others, to break out and really play it up, would be the way to go, as I see it.
Now GW and your Local friendly gaming store can get you what GW already has to offer, which is nice, but you have to print out the current, living rule book, (LRB 6, I believe), which is very well done, even if it got cobbled down presentation-wise from the LRB 5.0+, the rules from there to now didn't change, and I think it's the best incarnation of the ruleset to date, worts and all.
So a shinny, new deluxo verson fo BB -- I say YES! I like the idea.
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sam zitin
United States
Indiana
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Something else I just realized is that considering the success of boardgames on the Ipad, and relatively easy translation of the PC version (they'd really just need to scale back the graphics a bit) GW would be INSANE not to be working on an iOS and/or Android port of Blood Bowl.
If they timed the release of the new tabletop edition to coincide with an iOS version they could make a huge splash.
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Noel
United States
Unspecified
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Quote: I think based on their past two big box releases that GW has bitten the bullet and is once again embracing their boardgame roots and using it to grow their customer base.
I disagree with this, actually. Dreadfleet and Space Hulk were designed to sell a lot of copies and quickly, for the purpose of bulking up the declining GW bottom line.
If they did do a Blood Bowl release, it would be the last one you saw from them for a long time -- if ever again -- as the limited edition nature is the driving force for people to buy. Without that, it would not make the insta-buck profit they are looking for from these releases.
It'll be the exact opposite of what you want.
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SJ Benoist
United States
Saint Charles
Missouri
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I agree with Noel, I think BB is largely done, as far as GW is concerned.
Edit:
To the original question, for GW to consider such a thing "successful", it has to generate a lot of follow-up purchases, like every game line they have ever chosen to keep alive. IOW, it would require you to buy a lot in "customizing" your team.
Giving more teams would be the opposite of their business model, except for the "one-and-done" games like Space Hulk.
GW sells nicely bound copies of their rulebooks, and they are expensive. They won't put them in the box.
The thread reads more like "All the great things that might happen if somebody besides GW owned the rights to Blood Bowl". This just isn't Games Workshop style. If they released a box that had everything the OP wanted, they would charge at least 400$. Remember, the old box was almost 100$, didn't have half of what is being discussed here, and THAT was canceled because it didn't make enough $ to keep alive.
Edit: 400$ is, of course, hyperbole.
I hope 
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Daniel Hammond
United States
League City
Texas
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I hate to jump on the bandwagon, the fact that they have been licensing out Blood Bowl to other companies and how little it is supported at their stores (at least the ones I have been to in Texas). Also it isn't a cheap game to get into. What would a new edition have to offer me, an owner of every edition of Blood Bowl? The rules are not going to evolve further, I own every single team except the 3 they don't support (that would be a nice edition to the game). When the video game came out 8 teams were not enough to make people super happy (unless all of their favorites were there and even then you didn't get enough variety of opponents). I wish I could see it some other way.
IF they were going to release something for Blood Bowl (a game still available for sale on their website) it should be a deluxe edition with two additional boards double sided. Customized rules for league play. Additional passing rulers so when running tournaments you can play multiple games at once. (Minimum) 5 sets of blocking dice, high quality in different colors. League tracking info (with software support, spreadsheets). Most importantly full teams of metal minis for the 3 teams that are not currently supported. If they gave me all that I would spend 150-200 for it.
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Sean Ahern
United States
Spokane
Washington
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dlhammond wrote: I hate to jump on the bandwagon, the fact that they have been licensing out Blood Bowl to other companies and how little it is supported at their stores (at least the ones I have been to in Texas). Also it isn't a cheap game to get into. What would a new edition have to offer me, an owner of every edition of Blood Bowl? The rules are not going to evolve further, I own every single team except the 3 they don't support (that would be a nice edition to the game). When the video game came out 8 teams were not enough to make people super happy (unless all of their favorites were there and even then you didn't get enough variety of opponents). I wish I could see it some other way.
IF they were going to release something for Blood Bowl (a game still available for sale on their website) it should be a deluxe edition with two additional boards double sided. Customized rules for league play. Additional passing rulers so when running tournaments you can play multiple games at once. (Minimum) 5 sets of blocking dice, high quality in different colors. League tracking info (with software support, spreadsheets). Most importantly full teams of metal minis for the 3 teams that are not currently supported. If they gave me all that I would spend 150-200 for it.
I don't think you (or me) would be the target audience. I'm guessing if they did it, it'd be the set they have now with four 12 player teams (Skaven, Humans, Orcs, and Wood Elves maybe) and a fancier board and updated art. Slap a $100 price tag on it and call it good.
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sam zitin
United States
Indiana
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SJBenoist wrote: I agree with Noel, I think BB is largely done, as far as GW is concerned.
Edit:
To the original question, for GW to consider such a thing "successful", it has to generate a lot of follow-up purchases, like every game line they have ever chosen to keep alive. IOW, it would require you to buy a lot in "customizing" your team.
Giving more teams would be the opposite of their business model, except for the "one-and-done" games like Space Hulk.
GW sells nicely bound copies of their rulebooks, and they are expensive. They won't put them in the box.
The thread reads more like "All the great things that might happen if somebody besides GW owned the rights to Blood Bowl". This just isn't Games Workshop style. If they released a box that had everything the OP wanted, they would charge at least 400$. Remember, the old box was almost 100$, didn't have half of what is being discussed here, and THAT was canceled because it didn't make enough $ to keep alive.
I don't think if the box was held to 4 11 or 12 player teams that they'd need to charge more than $100. I think Space Hulk had about 44 miniatures total and that was only $100. The boards in that game were also a LOT nicer than they'd need to be for a blood bowl boxed set (all those separate and debossed hallways).
The previous boxed set was $87 I think and is still technically available. It was never "cancelled" or pulled off their site.
I think Sean nailed it, long time BB fans aren't necessarily the target audience but boardgamers getting into it for the first time.
Additionally, even if they did pump it out as a "one and done" limited item, that doesn't mean that they couldn't then release other teams or expansions or whatever else they wanted to later if the demand was generated from the original sale.
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SJ Benoist
United States
Saint Charles
Missouri
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Well, let's look at.
The 3rd Ed (and the revised packaging, which was identical inside) contained 24 models of 8 sculpts.
To have 4 teams, you need 44 models (assuming teams are only 11 players), and each player a unique mold means 44 molds (over a 500% increase).
{Now, quick note, already this doesn't function as a "one-and-done" product under current Blood Bowl rules.}
You want a new board, and I'm assuming the old board as well.
You want a nicely bound book. GW typically charges 33$ for a "perfect bound" book (glue), and 50$ for hardback.
Now, if the old product isn't profitable enough to support at 83$, consider:
+20 models
+36 sculpts
+new (bigger) board
A copy of the old board
A new rulebook, printed at a higher standard
Block Dice
Templates
Twice as many dugout sheets, reroll counters, score counters, turn counters, and player summaries
... and make it profitable by only increasing the price 17$?
Plus, they would need to support the game, as you can't include team options at only 11 models per team.
The only reason they still have product on the website is because they have old stock that isn't selling. It would be a terrible idea to sink more cash into this.
Your best hope is they decide to license-out to another game company. Problem is, their video game deal may prohibit it. If not, at least you have the precedent of GW giving up other games in the past (Fury of Dracula, WFRPG, and so forth).
As a GW project, this just isn't going to happen (IMO, of course).
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Tyler McLaughlin
Canada
Medicine Hat
Alberta
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1. Cardboard standies instead of mini's. Include enough that you could make any variation of any team possible.
2. Include every team in the box.
3. Include a second board and the appropriate components for two games at once instead of a four player variant. Mini League in a box.
4. Nice rules with color pictures.
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Dr. Love
United States
Tucson
Arizona
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SJBenoist wrote: Well, let's look at.
The only reason they still have product on the website is because they have old stock that isn't selling. It would be a terrible idea to sink more cash into this.
As a GW project, this just isn't going to happen (IMO, of course).
You make a very valid point. (I edited his quotes, for those others skimming through) -- he makes a very good statement, arguing the logical facts.
The frustrating point of it all is, it COULD be done, the way we describe, and maybe hike the price tag, in an attempt to lure new players to the game, but time will tell.
I never, ever, thought Space Hulk would be released again in my lifetime, and it ended up happening.
Until then, I'll be playing my Ogres against all comers.
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Andrew Rintoul
Australia
Canberra
ACT
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Any new box set needs to include figures that are part of the 3 new teams. At least 1 of slann, chaos pact or underworld (or even an extremely well playtested new team that we haven't heard of yet). The rest of the figures required for a team beyond the 12 they would realistically provide need to be supported by games workshop. like a range of slann catchers and blitzers. ideally 16 players including all positionals would be provided. I would like to see a Slann vs Chaos Pact boxset with all figures for each team provided.
Different block dice to any previously available (ie not white) would need to be included.
I'm sure any rerelease would do well, just not as well as I imagine space hulk did.
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Chris D'Andrea
United States
Cheektowaga
New York
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Am I missing something here? GW (you know the ones that only think about PROFIT MARGINS over long term customer relationships) is going to just write off the stuff they are currently selling on the GW site 9yes BB is still in stock at GW, at least in the US store) and make a whole new game??? With 4 teams bound rule book and a new rules set (just throwing out the CMP rules that they wrote in 2010)? So that it can cost upwards of $300 (Have you seen the prices on the GW minis now? a box of 5 scout marines costs 25 dollars so 48 new sculpts of players could rune $240 in minis alone).
I think if they even do release BB 4th edition it will be the same as 3rd edition with MAYBE the CMP rules in the box and upgraded cardboard componants and will be "Limited Supply" like Dreadfleet and Space Hulk so that they don't have boxes sitting around for years and years and the get all bought up on Pre-Release. No risk method for them. Then there will be just enough spark put back in the game to start selling the teams again on the website.
While all your comments and suggestions for a successful product are nice they are not a reality. 4th Editions rules are available on the website (IMHO) and the components and "Limited Availability" will make it a Success in GW's eyes. Remember they can care less about a happy fanbase they only see dollars.
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Chris Berger
United States
Volo
Illinois
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lordunborn wrote: I think if they even do release BB 4th edition it will be the same as 3rd edition...
Oh wow, I sure hope they don't try to rerelease 4th edition again. I think most BB fans have blocked that out.
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sam zitin
United States
Indiana
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lordunborn wrote: Am I missing something here? GW (you know the ones that only think about PROFIT MARGINS over long term customer relationships) is going to just write off the stuff they are currently selling on the GW site 9yes BB is still in stock at GW, at least in the US store) and make a whole new game??? With 4 teams bound rule book and a new rules set (just throwing out the CMP rules that they wrote in 2010)? So that it can cost upwards of $300 (Have you seen the prices on the GW minis now? a box of 5 scout marines costs 25 dollars so 48 new sculpts of players could rune $240 in minis alone).
I think if they even do release BB 4th edition it will be the same as 3rd edition with MAYBE the CMP rules in the box and upgraded cardboard componants and will be "Limited Supply" like Dreadfleet and Space Hulk so that they don't have boxes sitting around for years and years and the get all bought up on Pre-Release. No risk method for them. Then there will be just enough spark put back in the game to start selling the teams again on the website.
While all your comments and suggestions for a successful product are nice they are not a reality. 4th Editions rules are available on the website (IMHO) and the components and "Limited Availability" will make it a Success in GW's eyes. Remember they can care less about a happy fanbase they only see dollars.
lordunborn wrote: Am I missing something here? GW (you know the ones that only think about PROFIT MARGINS over long term customer relationships) is going to just write off the stuff they are currently selling on the GW site 9yes BB is still in stock at GW, at least in the US store) and make a whole new game??? With 4 teams bound rule book and a new rules set (just throwing out the CMP rules that they wrote in 2010)? So that it can cost upwards of $300 (Have you seen the prices on the GW minis now? a box of 5 scout marines costs 25 dollars so 48 new sculpts of players could rune $240 in minis alone).
I think if they even do release BB 4th edition it will be the same as 3rd edition with MAYBE the CMP rules in the box and upgraded cardboard componants and will be "Limited Supply" like Dreadfleet and Space Hulk so that they don't have boxes sitting around for years and years and the get all bought up on Pre-Release. No risk method for them. Then there will be just enough spark put back in the game to start selling the teams again on the website.
While all your comments and suggestions for a successful product are nice they are not a reality. 4th Editions rules are available on the website (IMHO) and the components and "Limited Availability" will make it a Success in GW's eyes. Remember they can care less about a happy fanbase they only see dollars.
They also could easily have reprinted Space Hulk exactly as they had before and sold a ton but instead they put in 44 unique sculpts, the nicest tiles I've ever seen in any game, absolutely gorgeous doors and stands, amazing components, developed new scenarios for a rulebook AND kept the price at $100.
It is certainly within their ability and seemingly MO to do the same sort of thing with Blood Bowl. The current rulebook is the competition rulebook and that is certainly what they would put in there. If they made it a "perfect bound" binding like on the old codices they could probably even justify selling it at $120 like Dreadfleet.
I don't see why everyone sees these things as such an impossibility, they've done similar things these past two years.
That being said, these may be pipe dreams, but what I was trying to suggest is that if GW DID go down this road, and rerelease a box set as their big boardgame release of 2012 they'd knock it out of the park as big or bigger than Space Hulk.
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Chris D'Andrea
United States
Cheektowaga
New York
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Oh they would but again it will be the same stuff as 3rd edition only nicer and for a whole lot of extra cash. Again it will sell no matter what so why should they add extra teams when they sell the teams on the website? I just wouldn't get my hopes to high as it will cause you to be let down when the reality of the release comes out.
And I would rather see Heroquest get put out (Advanced or otherwise) before Blood Bowl because like I said Blood Bowl is still available.
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SJ Benoist
United States
Saint Charles
Missouri
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(Setting aside the financial things mentioned before)
Chris is right about current stock. What would they do with it? They certainly are not going to discount those boxes.
Unlike Space Hulk & Dreadfleet, there are several very good BB alternatives for the entire game (dice, pitch, models).
Check out Impact Miniatures for a great many choices. Honestly, if I were ever to rebuild my collection, I would prefer their offerings to GW's.
Space Hulk & Dreadfleet only have ~20-25 sculpts each (counting terrain). You are suggesting a minimum of 44.
They are still including poorly bound rulebooks in their current games.
See this thread for details:
Has anyone attempted to have GW replace their rulebook?
Lastly, this isn't going to sell to long-term players. Before I switched to the PC, I had ~30 Human models and a likewise number of Orcs, and I also owned teams for Chaos, Chaos Dwarf, Undead, Wood Elf, High Elf, Dark Elf, Dwarf, Halfling, Norse, various Big Guys, Referees, 2x Boxsets, and 2x Deatzones.
The chances of a box having 100$ worth of stuff to people with a collection are very slim and many people are actually happy with the Video Game. I prefer the board game, but not at what I paid (1000$ vs 8$), and the video game actually provided more options than my investment.
Note about the rules, to clear up some confusion:
The official rules are still 3rd.
The competition rules (LRB6, created by fans not GW) are considered strictly optional, and are suggested ONLY for "long term leagues where specific rule wordings are very important", according to the PDF currently hosted on GW's Blood Bowl Resources.
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Sean Ahern
United States
Spokane
Washington
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SJBenoist wrote: Note about the rules, to clear up some confusion:
The official rules are still 3rd.
The competition rules (LRB6, created by fans not GW) are considered strictly optional, and are suggested ONLY for "long term leagues where specific rule wordings are very important", according to the PDF currently hosted on GW's Blood Bowl Resources.
I think you exaggerate the amount of involvement that GW has in the Blood Bowl. LRB6 was created by fans and the original designer (officially the Blood Bowl Rules Committee) but it was under the direction of Games Workshop. And there's nothing in there about them being unofficial. Considering that the Games Workshop licensed video game uses LRB6, every tournament and almost every league I know of use LRB6, and it's the only ruleset hosted on the GW webpage, I'd say LRB6 is the commonly accepted ruleset and 3rd edition rules are what come in the box. There's no "official" ruleset.
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SJ Benoist
United States
Saint Charles
Missouri
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BookandGame wrote:
I think you exaggerate the amount of involvement that GW has in the Blood Bowl. LRB6 was created by fans and the original designer (officially the Blood Bowl Rules Committee) but it was under the direction of Games Workshop. And there's nothing in there about them being unofficial. Considering that the Games Workshop licensed video game uses LRB6, every tournament and almost every league I know of use LRB6, and it's the only ruleset hosted on the GW webpage, I'd say LRB6 is the commonly accepted ruleset and 3rd edition rules are what come in the box. There's no "official" ruleset.
I think your first sentence is supposed to be "underestimate"?
Jervis states (in the back of the competition rules, in fact) that he didn't have time to work on LRB 6 beyond handing them some experimental rules. In fact, if you follow this sort of thing, you'll know once GW did see the final version, they made edits and dissolved the BBRC ... to some protest you can still find via Google.
Edit:
Jervis exact wording:
"When the pressure of my other work meant that I no longer had time to finish the rules, Tom stepped up as my Lead Developer, turning the half-formed set of experimental rules I gave him into the polished document you now hold."
I never called a ruleset "unofficial", that is putting words in my mouth and engaging in a bit of a Straw Man. 
They are an option, not "The Rules".
The official rules are 3rd (called "Standard Rules"), and if you read the first paragraph in the Competition PDF, you'll see the following:
"This rules pack contains a set of alternative game rules that have been developed in order to maintain game balance in leagues that last for long periods of time (e.g. for months or years rather than weeks), and for use in tournaments where very precise play balance and exact wording of the rules is important. They have been heavily tested by Blood Bowl coaches around the world, to ensure the best long-term balance and a minimum of confusion. However, by necessity this makes the competition rules longer and more complex than the standard rules, and because of this their use is entirely optional. League commissioners and tournament organizers should therefore feel free to use either the competition rules or the standard rules included with the Blood Bowl game, whichever they consider to be the most appropriate for the league or tournament they plan to run."
(emphasis mine)
Link for reference:[url]
http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m78...[/url]
They are not going to replace the 3rd edition rulebook, which was my point.
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Sean Ahern
United States
Spokane
Washington
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You're right. However, I don't think Games Workshop cares all that much about the ruleset that's included. No one plays third edition (Leagues, tourneys, PC game, FUMBBL) so I seriously doubt they'll stick with that. I think if they do release a new box set it will be either LRB6 or a brand new simplified ruleset (ala Dread Fleet) with components that can be used for LRB6.
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SJ Benoist
United States
Saint Charles
Missouri
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I agree a simplified rules is what they would do.
Unfortunately simplified just means less skills/teams. Not much else really changed between 3rd & LRB6 besides Fouling.
(by which I mean most of the changes in between were eventually dropped, like 1 skill per player per turn, Big Guys, Allies, IGMEOY, and so on)
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sam zitin
United States
Indiana
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SJBenoist wrote: (Setting aside the financial things mentioned before) Chris is right about current stock. What would they do with it? They certainly are not going to discount those boxes. Unlike Space Hulk & Dreadfleet, there are several very good BB alternatives for the entire game (dice, pitch, models). Check out Impact Miniatures for a great many choices. Honestly, if I were ever to rebuild my collection, I would prefer their offerings to GW's. Space Hulk & Dreadfleet only have ~20-25 sculpts each (counting terrain). You are suggesting a minimum of 44. They are still including poorly bound rulebooks in their current games. See this thread for details: Has anyone attempted to have GW replace their rulebook?
I didn't intend for this to become a speculation thread about whether they would reprint or not, only what we'd like to see and would help a rerelease be successful. That being said
1. Existing Stock - This is a fair argument. However, I don't think this stops them producing a new box set at all. GW has put out new product on top of existing product plenty in the past, and eventually when old stock stops selling, you have to produce new stock and clear out the old (probably at a discount). Presumably the old stuff just isn't selling, so putting out a new one could actually help move the old stock (by giving them an excuse to discount). Also, we don't actually know how MUCH old stock they have, it could be in in the few dozens of copies or even less.
2. Model count - Space hulk actually had 38 unique sculpts. 44 is not out of the realm of possibility, but even if we scale it back to 2 teams (with full rosters) you're talking about 32 unique sculpts, much easier to swallow. I'd LIKE to see 4 teams, but it isn't an absolute necessity. Still, at $120 or something like that, 44 sculpts is doable by current GW standards (comparing to space hulk).
3. Impact! Miniatures - I actually see this as the best indicator that the market is ripe for GW to swoop back in. Impact (and no less than 4 other mini companies) make fantasy football miniatures. A market that GW really probably feels they should own entirely. If there is enough of a fan base for these other companies to exist, there is enough to support a reprinting of blood bowl with NEW minis. I think most real fantasy football fans would buy new GW minis if they were as good (or as they should be, better) than the other companies offer. I presently would prefer Impact!s minis to GWs, but if GW comes out with new unique sculpts for every team, they'd be the cream of the crop again, and new production techniques make this much easier to achieve at a decent cost than it was 25 years ago.
4. Bound rulebook - I think this would really help, but it's not a deal breaker and maybe they'd just chintz out and put a staple bound pamphlet style in there (maybe sell a perfect bound copy separately like they used to).
I guess my OP was really just a wish list for what I'd like to see from the reprint (which I really do expect we'll see).
I'm certainly not the only one, there are rumors flying from GW retailers and distributors that this is the year for the reprint. It's the 25th anniversary and the property is receiving some great attention boost in the video game and FF card game. Rumors alone were enough to push it onto BGG's most anticipated Sports game of the year list.
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Andrew Wodzianski
United States
Washington
Dist of Columbia
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I too, have been anticipating this unannounced release. Ever since I bought my copy of Space Hulk 20th, I've been wondering if and when Blood Bowl would receive a similar treatment. Similar to the OP, I'm optimistic it will happen.
Of course I'd like to see minis as well sculpted as Space Hulk 3rd ed., but I'd also like to see 16 figures per team. 2nd ed. BB included 16, 3rd ed. trimmed back.
A 'pie in the sky' wish would be the elves and dwarves included with the standard humans and orcs, but as others have posted - that may be a bit too much for GW.
A compromise might be a handful of 'Star Player' sculpts. I for one, would like good 'ol MnT included.
On a related wish to 'Star Players,' the Space Hulk 3rd ed. enveloped expansion scenarios into the mission book. No reason GW couldn't employ a similar strategy w/ BB + Death Zone.
Regardless, if GW is doing this for a 25th marker year - the package has most likely been developed already and is in the production que.
I'm a Blood Bowl nut. I have the 2nd and 3rd edition, expansions for both, BBTM, the old school PC game, and the new school version. I'm even considering those poorly reviewed books! I will buy a BB anniversary edition if GW delivers.
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sam zitin
United States
Indiana
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Definitely Andrew!
I think the potential market of people who would "autobuy" a new edition is huge, let alone all those who could be introduced to the game for the first time (or have been introduced to it by the FFG cardgame or the Cyanide videogame).
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Mark Hendrix
United States
Talladega
Alabama
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Hate to burst the bubble, but with GW's announcement today of the RE-release of their Lord of the Rings mini game.....it will most likely be the box set. Sad to say.
They fought to keep the license for the line and they are promising some new sculpts, terrain and such...so they are going big to push. I would say they will most likely put it in a box set like the other 2 main line games WH and 40K.
I WISH it were a cool BB box. I would say that a cool pitch and some good plastic minis would be great. Like many others I would love to see more than the 2 base teams or maybe even a couple star players sculpts in the box.
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