Adolfo perez
Spain
cornella de llobregat
barcelona
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I'm playing this game with a friend who played a gamey strategy with Napoleon that shocked me.
He defeated Prussia, but instead of ocupy the capital, he remained in an adjoining province with four corps.
In every reinforcement phase two prussian corps appear, but he crushes them and continues waiting. In this way he is decitimating my prussian reserve and after his job will be done, he will only need a single corps near the capital to ocupy it when the time to score a victory comes.
Also, the coalition has the Continental Blockade and Stein cards unplayable.
The same can be done against Austria and, specialy, whith Spain (Insurrection can't take place in a coalition country not surrendered!).
¿Does exist any rule or system to counter this strategy? I think it breaks the game fun and its spirit.
Thanks,
Adolfo.
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guderian2 wrote: I'm playing this game with a friend who played a gamey strategy with Napoleon that shocked me.
He defeated Prussia, but instead of ocupy the capital, he remained in an adjoining province with four corps.
In every reinforcement phase two prussian corps appear, but he crushes them and continues waiting. In this way he is decitimating my prussian reserve and after his job will be done, he will only need a single corps near the capital to ocupy it when the time to score a victory comes.
Also, the coalition has the Continental Blockade and Stein cards unplayable.
The same can be done against Austria and, specialy, whith Spain (Insurrection can't take place in a coalition country not surrendered!).
¿Does exist any rule or system to counter this strategy? I think it breaks the game fun and its spirit.
Thanks,
Adolfo.
Why did you place the Prussian reinforcements in the capital? You can place the reinforcement in any home province of the country that is free of enemies.
I doubt the French player controlled the whole country, even if he does, the French troops become cannon fodder for the Russian and Austrian troops.
To occupy a country, you'll need to control the capital+ have more troops than the enemy (in case of insurgent country over half of the provinces of a country controlled+no enemy troops). If you place two Prussian reinforcements in the far end of Prussia and send two Russian units, then the French player needs to have at least 5 troops to occupy Prussia.
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Adolfo perez
Spain
cornella de llobregat
barcelona
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If the Prussian get his reinforcements in the capital, the french enters, crush the prussians and then leave the region before the surrender phase.
From the Pommern region any prussian region is just at 2 mps.
The french is not interested in occupy or control the country.
If Russia and Austria are neutral, then the prussian corps are easily destroyed.
If Russia or Austria are at war, the french can destroy them moving firt prior to 1811.
In both cases, after 1811 no prussian corps will left, the Stein card is unplayable and Prussia can't revolt.
And I think this metod works better with Spain: only 4 spanish corps to take away and then you get an enemy controled but harmless Spain.
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guderian2 wrote: If the Prussian get his reinforcements in the capital, the french enters, crush the prussians and then leave the region before the surrender phase.
From the Pommern region any prussian region is just at 2 mps.
The french is not interested in occupy or control the country.
If Russia and Austria are neutral, then the prussian corps are easily destroyed.
If Russia or Austria are at war, the french can destroy them moving firt prior to 1811.
In both cases, after 1811 no prussian corps will left, the Stein card is unplayable and Prussia can't revolt.
And I think this metod works better with Spain: only 4 spanish corps to take away and then you get an enemy controled but harmless Spain.
edit.
a) If Austria or Russia is neutral coalition member, move the prussian units to Austria or Russia or move Russian or Austrian units to Prussia
b) If neither Russia or Austria is a coalition member, then don't place any Prussian units. There is no must to place units.
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guderian2 wrote:
If Russia or Austria are at war, the french can destroy them moving firt prior to 1811.
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Adolfo perez
Spain
cornella de llobregat
barcelona
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RoadHouse wrote: guderian2 wrote:
If Russia or Austria are at war, the french can destroy them moving firt prior to 1811.
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If Russia or Austria are at war, the french can destroy them moving firSt if the turn is prior to 1811.
RoadHouse wrote:
a) If Austria or Russia is neutral, move the prussian units to Austria or Russia or move Russian or Austrian units to Prussia
What I'm saying is the new corps built by Prussia are destroyed before they can do any move.
RoadHouse wrote:
b) If neither Russia or Austria is a coalition member, then don't place any Prussian units. There is no must to place units.
I missed that point, so is good to know that I can maintain my few surviving corps in reserve.
But this does not alter the fact that Prussia is in this way deactivated as a major country with no insurrection posibility and no play of Stein or continental blockade cards.
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What if Prussia is out the picture for a few turns? You are making such a big deal about Prussia. There are more pressing issues happening on the map. Prussia is more important later in the game.
Deactivated? It's already good that Prussia is a coalition member, more options for Russian and Austrian troops to move.
You can very well win the game without Continental System, I have never played it and still won as a coalition player.Rarely if ever seen Prussian insurrection and still won as a Coalition player. Stein is good but something like Britannia is even more important.
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Adolfo perez
Spain
cornella de llobregat
barcelona
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Thanks, Roadhouse.
Perhaps I'm exaggerating these effects. Well, we'll continue playing and will see what happens.
¿Do you think the same if this strategy is applied to avoid a spanish insurrection?
I'm intrigued about what could happen if France applies this strategy for Austria after the destruction of his army in 1805, then to Prussia and then to Spain...
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I forgot to say that having Prussia as a coalition member gives 2 cards to the coalition player each turn.
Spain is basically a risky place for the French player, both historically and also in this game. If the French player wants to destroy the newly deployed Spanish units he needs at least 3-4 units to be sure, he probably wants roll on the 11-15 table. Usually this is a big investment for the French player as he needs units elsewhere. As the Spanish player you can deploy your troops in the far end of Spain. Even if he comes and destroys your two Spanish units, it's a big investment for the French player to send his troops there. He has to spend many cards to get those units back in the Eastern front, and the 8 troop limit makes sure that you can't have idle French troops on the map. If he sends his units away, you can again deploy new Spanish corps, probably even make a landing in Portugal with English troops. Also Spain gives 2 cards to the coalition player per turn, so it's all good anyway. A large French force in Spain will suffer attrition. Spain is a pain in the ass for the French player with or without the insurrection.
The 1805 can have it's swings of luck early on, especially for the coalition player. I suggest to try to the 1809 scenario, I think it's even better than the 1805 scenario, at least a bit more balanced but I also like the fun parts of the early war and the short struggle of 1813 scenario.
If the French player loses at least 1 permanent casualty in a battle, it's already a small victory for the coalition player. Every unit lost due attrition is also a big thing. The loss of troops will eventually start to effect the French player's ability to battle efficiently or control the necessary areas. Try to avoid battles where you will cause zero permanent casualties to the French player.
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