Jim Scheiderich
United States
Liverpool
New York
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When choosing the two factions to resolve a Civil War, are on map Cities counted at 5 points or do you use the the Area Support Limit (ASL) (+1 for Agriculture)? If it is the latter, a City may be only worth 1 point in the determination. The in Stock Cities are worth 5 and we just extrapolated that...
We had always played that the Cities were 5 points but a closer look at the rules leaves me wondering if that was correct or not. It doesn't appear to be definitive as written.
If you used the ASL method, then the beneficiary could choose far differently than they may otherwise making what is a bad situation even worse.
Opinions? Facts? Thanks!
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Franz Kafka
United States
St. Charles
Missouri
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I think 29.62 in the rules helps a little:
"When resolving calamities, cities are worth up to five unit points and tokens are worth one unit point. If a city is reduced, surviving tokens are not counted toward the resolution of the calamity."
Since you're not reducing any cities in the middle of the Civil War, I'd count them as the full five points.
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Olav Riediger
Germany
Bedburg(Erft)
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The other respondend is correct as far as I know. We always did it that way. Cities are worth 5 points during Civil War.
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Jim Scheiderich
United States
Liverpool
New York
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JosefK wrote: I think 29.62 in the rules helps a little:
"When resolving calamities, cities are worth up to five unit points and tokens are worth one unit point. If a city is reduced, surviving tokens are not counted toward the resolution of the calamity."
Since you're not reducing any cities in the middle of the Civil War, I'd count them as the full five points.
This was what bothered me - the "up to 5 points" when resolving calamities. While the Cities are not actually reduced, it left it unclear as to how to value them point wise.
Thanks for your responses!
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Steve Bachman
United States
Colonie
New York
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LHIM wrote: JosefK wrote: I think 29.62 in the rules helps a little:
"When resolving calamities, cities are worth up to five unit points and tokens are worth one unit point. If a city is reduced, surviving tokens are not counted toward the resolution of the calamity."
Since you're not reducing any cities in the middle of the Civil War, I'd count them as the full five points. This was what bothered me - the "up to 5 points" when resolving calamities. While the Cities are not actually reduced, it left it unclear as to how to value them point wise. Thanks for your responses!
I was thinking that was the wording that was problematic. The "up to" is clarified in the example provided in 29.62:
Quote: EXAMPLE: Africa must remove ten unit points because of Famine. It could remove two cities, ten tokens, or any combination thereof. If the African player decided to reduce a city, leaving two tokens in its place, this would count as three unit points.
For Civil War, the cities can only be worth 5 points.
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Todd Woodward
United States
Findlay
Ohio
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Agree with the consensus, cities are worth 5 points in civil war.
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Franz Kafka
United States
St. Charles
Missouri
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This point was much clearer in the basic Civilization; it just said that cities are worth five unit points for calamities.
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