Ludere Cum Dignitate
United States
Carrollton
Texas
"[hyperbole], it's pretty much the best and most exceptional and effective way of expressing oneself all the time ever." ~MScrivner
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Umbratus wrote: Its quite simple, folks who are offended by things such as this theme take it way too seriously so they are no fun company to play with. Its really as simple as that.
That's simply not true. I double checked the definition of "Offensive" and it is synonymous with "disagreeable" or "displeasing," two words which hold less negative connotations.
So what you are saying is that every person on earth who find this theme to be displeasing is "no fun." Seriously!? That is a ridiculously huge overstatement.
alex352 wrote: Nothing better than a broad generalization to start the weekend. Can it get any better from here?
Nice! 
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Joel Schuster
Germany
Bretten
Baden-Württemberg
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The good thing is that we can all pick our company by ourselves. At least when it comes to gaming.
So we can all go with our own definitions of what is fun and what is offensive.
There are no generalisations indeed.
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Redward wrote:
That's simply not true. I double checked the definition of "Offensive" and it is synonymous with "disagreeable" or "displeasing," two words which hold less negative connotations.
So what you are saying is that every person on earth who find this theme to be displeasing is "no fun." Seriously!? That is a ridiculously huge overstatement.
Now you are just putting words in his mouth; synonymous doesn't mean equal. I too would avoid being around people who find CitOW's theme offensive, simply because I'd find their outlook on things (like boardgame themes) too narrow-minded.
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Calavera Hermosa
United States
Tucson
Arizona
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Umbratus wrote: The good thing is that we can all pick our company by ourselves. At least when it comes to gaming.
So we can all go with our own definitions of what is fun and what is offensive.
Not to belabor the concept, but this is, indeed, one example of the constant metagames we find ourselves playing.
I guess the frustration I have is that there seems to be people in two camps. The first camp is those that are aware of this (whatever they may call it) at least on some level, and who are therefore not necessarily attached to their own definitions, ideologies, or preconceived notions about the world. The second camp are those that seem unaware, or unwilling to admit to their awareness, and so are profoundly attached to their defintions, ideologies, and preconceived notions.
inb4 the complaints - I am not criticizing Christians here. There are, obviously plenty of Christians, including present company, who seem perfectly willing to admit there are multiple ways of seeing the world, just as there are plenty of narrow-minded athiests who express a stubborn, myopic refusal to see the world in any way but their own.
Rereading the posts in this thread, I want to reiterate how much I appreciate the OP taking the time to articulate his opinion and reiterate my own apology for being an ass-hat previously. It's clear that the OP was taking the time to patiently explain to those with who he shares his faith, that there is more than one way to see the world - at least on the particular issue of this game. Such patient, open-mindedness, no matter who it is from, is always appreciated.
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Jacob Russell
Canada
Vancouver
British Columbia
Bullshit!
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I love Chaos. It's one of my favorite games and I am a Christian. I studied theology in school and would have become a minister if I wasn't such a bad person in my twenties.
I look at it like this. It's cathartic. I enjoy pretending to be an evil God destroying the world, it's a blast. I get into it the same way an actor might enjoy playing a bad person in a film. As a fiction. I think that the same God who gave us the ability to appreciate art, exercise critical judgement, take part in drama exercises, and enjoy games is not going to ask us to ignore those skills when deciding if it's moral or not to play a boardgame. The boardgame isn't making me hurt people or steal, it's benign in and of itself.
It would be especially funny to sit there and say; "I refuse to play this game it is morally outrageous" while eating McDonalds or a bag of chips because it seems blatantly obvious to me that many of the companies we support and the way's in which we use are tax dollars are more morally questionable then any game I play.
I'd go so far as to say the morality of using plastic pieces and having them shipped all over the country for your entertainment is a more pressing moral concern than anything that takes place in the game.
Not to say I'm privy to God's private thoughts on the matter but there ya go.
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Alex H.
Germany
Würzburg / Aachen
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If I were to propose a game of CitOW to a friend and he would decline telling me that he finds the theme off-putting I would move on and bring something else on the table. Same is true for friends who rather not play wargames or any other kind of themed game.
Simple as that.
Anyway, the dead horse has been beaten long enough and I appreciate the moderation that has come back to the thread. No one is going to be convinced by the other side so it's time to move on (at least for me) - happy gaming everyone.
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Trevor Gowe
United States
Ogden
UT
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I'm very thematically oriented. I love a good theme.
I honestly think it would be ridiculous for anyone to take offence at the theme of this game. And if they did... they could simply choose not to play.
I think you could read very little about a game and know whether or not it would offend you.
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