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This just in from Rio Grande Games' website:

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For Dominion, we still plan to release a digital version early this year. We are also planning to release a set of all base cards (treasure, victory, and curse) that players can use to replace used cards from the base game or Dominion: Intrigue, or to use with the expansions that do not include these base cards. The planned release for this product is March, 2012. We have changed the schedule a bit and will release the large expansion Dominion: Dark Ages at Gencon to accompany the Dominion World Masters Tournament that will be held there. The expansion previously announced for the spring: Dominion: the Guilds will be released in the spring of 2013.


Looks like things have been changed around a bit by the addition of something new. To summarize this announcement, here's the new expansions and their expected release dates:
Dominion (Digital Release) – First Quarter 2012
• Dominion: Base Cards (Small Expansion) — March 2012
Dominion: Dark Ages (Large Expansion) – August 2012 at GenCon
Dominion: Guilds (Small Expansion) – Late Spring 2013

Honestly, I'm very happy that they are finally releasing a base game set which players can "use with the expansions that do not include these base cards." That is a much-needed expansion to the game. What I don't like is that they have pushed back the last expansion to 2013 and switched the large and the small expansion. Donald X. has been saying for years that the entire series would be done by 2012 but now it seems otherwise. The release of the base game expansion does mean, however, that Dark Ages will almost definitely not be a base game expansion.

Anyway, onto an exciting 2012 with Dominion!
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Honestly, I'm very happy that they are finally releasing a base game set which players can "use with the expansions that do not include these base cards." That is a much-needed expansion to the game.


... but this is what I don't understand.

Why can't you just use those cards from the base games with available expansions....

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Thanks for the post. I'm excited about the news.

In particular, it's good to hear something more about the official digital version of Dominion which I cannot wait to own!
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DKahnt wrote:
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Honestly, I'm very happy that they are finally releasing a base game set which players can "use with the expansions that do not include these base cards." That is a much-needed expansion to the game.


... but this is what I don't understand.

Why can't you just use those cards from the base games with available expansions....

-DK


I think the thinking is someone who really likes Hinterlands and Seaside could just buy those two expansions and then buy the treasure/victory cards expansion and not have to buy a base set.
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DKahnt wrote:
Whaleyland wrote:
Honestly, I'm very happy that they are finally releasing a base game set which players can "use with the expansions that do not include these base cards." That is a much-needed expansion to the game.


... but this is what I don't understand.

Why can't you just use those cards from the base games with available expansions....

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You can. But this implies that you could just start with, say, Seaside or Prosperity, plus these base cards, and never own the base game or Intrigue. I agree that such an emphasis seems strange - the real use is likely to be just as much about replacing cards that are worn out.
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Which potentially makes all the large expansions hypothetical base games. The original Dominion and Intrigue games will no longer be required to enjoy Dominion. Of course, the cost of buying an expansion and the base cards would still be much higher than just buying Dominion or Intrigue. I'd guess around $20 more, considering it will be around a 200 card expansion.
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Whaleyland wrote:
This just in from Rio Grande Games' website:
Looks like things have been changed around a bit by the addition of something new. To summarize this announcement, here's the new expansions and their expected release dates:
Dominion (Digital Release) – First Quarter 2012
• Dominion: Base Cards (Small Expansion) — March 2012
Dominion: Dark Ages (Large Expansion) – August 2012 at GenCon
Dominion: Guilds (Small Expansion) – Late Spring 2013


I still count this as 2 expansions. A set of base cards doesn't "expand" the game, really. It's just replacement parts. I understand you can now only buy Prosperity and these cards, for example. But the overall game of Dominion has not expanded one bit.
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DKahnt wrote:
Whaleyland wrote:
Honestly, I'm very happy that they are finally releasing a base game set which players can "use with the expansions that do not include these base cards." That is a much-needed expansion to the game.


... but this is what I don't understand.

Why can't you just use those cards from the base games with available expansions....

-DK
You can. But this implies that you could just start with, say, Seaside or Prosperity, plus these base cards, and never own the base game or Intrigue. I agree that such an emphasis seems strange - the real use is likely to be just as much about replacing cards that are worn out.


That's what I figured... but to buy a "small expansion" for say $20 isn't worth it when you can buy the base game (and more than double the cards) for less than $40. Pricing wise it's cheaper to buy vanilla Dominion.

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Is there any confirmation that these will be the last two expansions, as wished by Don X? I sure hope so, because my box has about room for that, but then that's it. Anything after that and I'll probably need to switch to a crate and have a donkey to haul it around.
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I'm looking forward to the digital release!
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Ok, so, you can't actually play a game with the Base Cards (well, you could, but it would be incredibly boring and Big Money would be the only strategy)

But you can play a game with Base Cards+Expansion X.

So, does this mean Base Cards+Expansion X (and Y, and Z) are going to appear in the rankings? zombie
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Donald X. said after the release of Hinterlands that he only had two expansions left (a large and a small) and that any expansion after that would only come out after a long gap. He stated that he wants to focus on other games and on Dominion spin-offs that use the same mechanics but with different themes. I don't remember where specifically he stated that, but I remember reading it not that long ago.

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Ok, so, you can't actually play a game with the Base Cards (well, you could, but it would be incredibly boring and Big Money would be the only strategy)

But you can play a game with Base Cards+Expansion X.

So, does this mean Base Cards+Expansion X (and Y, and Z) are going to appear in the rankings? zombie


That's what I was wondering! It potentially makes all the expansions stand-alone-ish. Oh, and in your equation, Expansion X = A large expansion.
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Is there any confirmation that these will be the last two expansions, as wished by Don X? I sure hope so, because my box has about room for that, but then that's it. Anything after that and I'll probably need to switch to a crate and have a donkey to haul it around.

No one has ever guaranteed that there won't be more, but it won't be anytime soon, if ever.
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Ok, so, you can't actually play a game with the Base Cards (well, you could, but it would be incredibly boring and Big Money would be the only strategy)
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No, you cannot play a game with the Base Cards only. A game of Dominion requires 10 Kingdom Cards as part of the supply (or 11 with Young Witch). With only the base cards, you are unable to fulfill that requirement so it would no longer be considered a game of Dominion.
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Philip Thomas wrote:
Ok, so, you can't actually play a game with the Base Cards (well, you could, but it would be incredibly boring and Big Money would be the only strategy)

But you can play a game with Base Cards+Expansion X.

So, does this mean Base Cards+Expansion X (and Y, and Z) are going to appear in the rankings? zombie


That's what I was wondering! It potentially makes all the expansions stand-alone-ish. Oh, and in your equation, Expansion X = A large expansion.

Why does Expansion X have to be a large expansion? You could play with the base cards and Alchemy, although University would be almost worthless and Philosopher's Stone would frequently be worth no more than $1 and often $0. And you could easily play with base cards and Cornucopia, although picking 10 random cards out of 13 would get rather stale after a while.
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jeffwolfe wrote:
ScoobyG wrote:
Is there any confirmation that these will be the last two expansions, as wished by Don X? I sure hope so, because my box has about room for that, but then that's it. Anything after that and I'll probably need to switch to a crate and have a donkey to haul it around.

No one has ever guaranteed that there won't be more, but it won't be anytime soon, if ever.

Treasure Chest with a few cards using a different mechanic/theme from each expansion. Please, please, please!!!

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Some additional information:

- The base cards product has full-card art on all cards. So Copper with art, etc. It includes the base cards that aren't in the main set - Platinum, Colony, Potion. So this product can be used to replace worn cards, to let you play with an expansion without having the main set or Intrigue, to let you play with 5-6 players without having both the main set and Intrigue, and also you might want it if you think you'd prefer the base cards with art.

- Dark Ages is 500 cards but is not a standalone. You are only getting one expansion this year, but it's a big one. Those of you planning complete storage systems, this is the earliest I could tell you.
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donaldx wrote:
Dark Ages is 500 cards but is not a standalone. You are only getting one expansion this year, but it's a big one.


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500 cards in a non-base set expansion?! That's freaking incredible. That's bigger than a large and small expansion combined! I assume there will be some strange new aspects to this expansion and very few, if any, tokens or cardboard. I guess I will DEFINITELY have to get that third 800-card box now.


Also, Donald, is there an official name for the base game set?
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Philip Thomas wrote:
Ok, so, you can't actually play a game with the Base Cards (well, you could, but it would be incredibly boring and Big Money would be the only strategy)
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No, you cannot play a game with the Base Cards only. A game of Dominion requires 10 Kingdom Cards as part of the supply (or 11 with Young Witch). With only the base cards, you are unable to fulfill that requirement so it would no longer be considered a game of Dominion.


Did I say that the game you could play would be Dominion? Did I? sauron
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donaldx wrote:


- The base cards product has full-card art on all cards. So Copper with art, etc. It includes the base cards that aren't in the main set - Platinum, Colony, Potion. So this product can be used to replace worn cards, to let you play with an expansion without having the main set or Intrigue, to let you play with 5-6 players without having both the main set and Intrigue, and also you might want it if you think you'd prefer the base cards with art.


Can someone explain what the underlined part means? Will these new base cards have different art on them than the cards that come in my original Dominion box?
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donaldx wrote:
- The base cards product has full-card art on all cards. So Copper with art, etc. It includes the base cards that aren't in the main set - Platinum, Colony, Potion. So this product can be used to replace worn cards, to let you play with an expansion without having the main set or Intrigue, to let you play with 5-6 players without having both the main set and Intrigue, and also you might want it if you think you'd prefer the base cards with art.

Can someone explain what the underlined part means? Will these new base cards have different art on them than the cards that come in my original Dominion box?

Yes, they have art. The Copper does not have a big coin with a one on it. It has a unique graphic. And so on.
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Not unless one of these expansions includes a catapult that allows you to fling your cards/VP chips/whatever at your opponents.

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When Dominion gets its online release, I assume that means Isotropic will be taken down?


That seems reasonable to expect. If so, I hope there's some way to migrate my stats over. The pie-in-the-sky wish would be for the digital version to actually be isotropic, only with a nice graphical interface and presumably costing money.
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