don reiter
United States
Iowa
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I have not played the game yet, but I was reading the rules and reading some stuff out here and I am wondering: Do you use the Assassin in the 2 and 3 player version of the game? I didn't see anywhere in the rules that says specifically says not to, but it seems as if the first player were to take the assassin he/she would be able to know exactly which role was selected by player 2 or 3 and would guarantee a successful assassination.
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brian
United States
Cedar Lake
Indiana
Mourning the end of the Manning era.
Welcome baby brother Toby James, 03/24, 8 lb. 15 oz.
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donnyrides wrote: I have not played the game yet, but I was reading the rules and reading some stuff out here and I am wondering: Do you use the Assassin in the 2 and 3 player version of the game? I didn't see anywhere in the rules that says specifically says not to, but it seems as if the first player were to take the assassin he/she would be able to know exactly which role was selected by player 2 or 3 and would guarantee a successful assassination.
There is always a card that is buried by the last player so the first player doesn't ever know for sure. That is where the mind games come in....
ETA:
Also, the Assassin would just knock out the target characters turn. The player would still use his other character(s) so it is not a completely dead turn like it is in the 4+ player game.
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DC Clark
United States
Houghton
Michigan
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You would rarely be certain about who takes what role -- as Brian said, that's where the mind games come in! Be certain that you understand how roles are selected, that may be confusing you.
Also, if you are referring to the fact that you get to select two roles in the 2/3 player game -- it would be fairly unusual for the assassin to go past that many rounds of selection, leaving the first player with both the opportunity and knowledge to use it with a high probability of success.
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Paul DeStefano
United States
Long Island
New York
It's a Zendrum. www.zendrum.com
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We always play 3 player.
Of course you use the assassin.
You get a turn for each character, not each player. Essentially, you play twice to one city. The assassin forces someone to play once.
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don reiter
United States
Iowa
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good to know. Thanks for the answers. I guess it does add some guess work since the last player to pick puts 1 card face down.
Can't wait to play this game. I really enjoy PR and Race for the Galaxy. This game looks like a mix of both with the added ability to directly impact your opponents with your choices instead of indirectly like in PR and RftG.
Do any of you guys know of an online resource to play this game?
thanks
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Paul DeStefano
United States
Long Island
New York
It's a Zendrum. www.zendrum.com
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donnyrides wrote: good to know. Thanks for the answers. I guess it does add some guess work since the last player to pick puts 1 card face down.
And one STARTS face down before role selection.
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Brook Gentlestream
United States
Long Beach
California
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donnyrides wrote: I have not played the game yet, but I was reading the rules and reading some stuff out here and I am wondering: Do you use the Assassin in the 2 and 3 player version of the game? I didn't see anywhere in the rules that says specifically says not to, but it seems as if the first player were to take the assassin he/she would be able to know exactly which role was selected by player 2 or 3 and would guarantee a successful assassination.
In a two-player game, you have about a 50/50 shot of guessing which role to assassinate just by intelligent guessing. Therefore it comes down to bluffing... did he take the more advantegous options, or did he suspect you were going to assassinate and go with the less advantageous choice?
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Brook Gentlestream
United States
Long Beach
California
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ColtsFan76 wrote: The First player in a 2-player game knows 2 of the characters selected. The question is if they are desirable to assassinate or not. He only has a 50-50 chance of guessing the 3rd character.
Just to make sure we're on the same page here...
If I'm the first player, one card is discarded and another is selected by me (let's say its the Assassin).
Now let's say you're the second player. You know the Assassin card is no longer available so it was either taken by me or discarded. You have to select your card with this in mind, and you have about a 50/50 shot of guessing correctly whether or not I chose the Assassin. Now you also select and discard a card after you choose yours.
Now it's back to me, the first player. I see of the cards I gave you, two are missing -- one that you took and one that you discarded. So assuming I later decide to assinate one of those two cards, I have about a 50/50 shot of guessing correctly.
Of course, it's never a 50/50 random choice -- there's a lot of psychology and bluffing and second-guessing and psychic intuition at work, but if you're going to go strictly on evidence and probability, the assassin's got a 50% chance of success each time and all the psychology and skill of the game just tries to edge that a little bit more in your favor.
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brian
United States
Cedar Lake
Indiana
Mourning the end of the Manning era.
Welcome baby brother Toby James, 03/24, 8 lb. 15 oz.
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I took down my comment. Got to over-thinking this and was confusing the 3-player and 2-player rules. You'll only have a 50-50 chance of guessing which character was taken and which was discarded.
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