Francis K. Lalumiere
Canada
Brossard
Quebec
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I have no idea how well the game did, though.
It may not be a good idea, financially.
But I sure would like to know one way or the other. 
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DoomTurtle
United States
Redford
Michigan
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I know I wouldn't mind some new characters, or at least previous Terrinoth characters that could be translated to this, along with some new traps, monsters, etc.
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Erik Syvertsen
United States
Tucson
Arizona
Let's do this!
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I agree. I think it's kind of strange that there hasn't been one, considering it's from FFG.
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Ian Kelly
United States
Longmont
Colorado
Allow me to introduce myself. I am Hexachlorophene J. Goodfortune, Kidnapper-At-Large, and Devourer of Tortoises par Excellence, at your service.
If you can read this, then this sentence is false.
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You can sort of estimate proportionate sales volume by comparing the number of BGG users claiming to own the games. For comparison, here are some of FFG's semi-recent releases with and without expansions:
Game Year Expansion? Users Owning
Battlestar Galactica 2008 YES 10737
Cosmic Encounter 2008 YES 5563
Civilization 2010 YES 5434
Chaos in the Old World 2009 YES 4774
Mansions of Madness 2011 POD 4439
Runewars 2010 YES 3325
Middle-earth Quest 2009 NO 2838
Android 2008 NO 2723
DungeonQuest 2010 NO 2128
Age of Conan 2009 NO 1938
WoW: the Adventure Game 2009 MINI 1857
Battles of Westeros 2010 YES 1686
Horus Heresy 2010 NO 1283
Cadwallon 2010 NO MINI 1017
Battles of Westeros is a bit of an outlier for some reason, but apart from that, they seem to be pretty consistent. I don't think an expansion for DungeonQuest is outside the realm of possibility, but I wouldn't expect one at this point either.
Edit: added Mansions of Madness to the list and fixed the formatting as suggested by Sphere.
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Francis K. Lalumiere
Canada
Brossard
Quebec
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Good work, Ian.
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Bruce Moffatt
Australia
Brisbane
Queensland
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Remember that there were only two expansions for the original game. Catacombs, which has more or less been rolled into the FFG version, and Heroes.
Heroes was an assortment of new player characters and magical items, as well as some replacement bits for the base game. The biggest selling point was the metal miniatures.
I can envisage FFG doing an equivalent expansion for their DungeonQuest. Whether they will or not is another question.
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Simon Lundström
Sweden
Örbyhus
Now who are these five?
Come, come, all children who love fairy tales.
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The Swedish original expansion contained Heroes AND Catacombs in the same pack. Don't know whether or not the selling point for the GW Heroes expansion was the metal minis, but in Sweden, the expansion's selling point was "more of all": More Room cards, more traps, more search cards, more Heroes, a new deck etc".
But frankly, despite the fact that this is SO expansionable… considering no expansion has come out yet, I'd not put a bet on any one coming… 
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but that would be awesome with new tiles, cards, heroes and all ...
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Ron
Austria
Vienna
ASL ... yes, this is my Desert Island Game. If I have to give up all my 3000+ games and only allowed to keep one, this would be it. This bloody game stood the test of time. Around for more than 25 years - simply the best.
Devote follower of the most holy church of the Evil Bob. Possessed and down the road to become chaotic, evil & naughty. All hail the Evil Bob and his stargate.
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I miss the Snotlings from the GW edition
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Freelance Police
United States
Palo Alto
California
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Hmm. How easy would it to make a fan expansion for the game? If you're just making Heroes, you wouldn't have to deal with shuffling in fanmade cards, or cutting out tiles. FFG has an immense Terinoth miniatures pool -- you'd start with hero miniatures available in Descent, Runebound, and Runewars.
DQ expansion discussion on FFG:
http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/edge_foros_discusion.asp?e...
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Was George Orwell an Optimist?
United States
Corvallis
Oregon
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Those tabs kill the code formatting. Using spaces you can make it look pretty decent:
Game Year Expansion? Users Owning
Battlestar Galactica 2008 YES 10737
Cosmic Encounter 2008 YES 5563
Civilization 2010 YES 5434
Chaos in the Old World 2009 YES 4774
Runewars 2010 YES 3325
Middle-earth Quest 2009 NO 2838
Android 2008 NO 2723
DungeonQuest 2010 NO 2128
Age of Conan 2009 NO 1938
WoW: the Adventure Game 2009 MINI 1857
Battles of Westeros 2010 YES 1686
Horus Heresy 2010 NO 1283
Cadwallon 2010 NO MINI 1017
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Bruce Moffatt
Australia
Brisbane
Queensland
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There's me, typing on little to no sleep...
I was referring to the original English (GW) version.
Simon is the go-to guy for knowledge of the 'Original' Swedish version.
Sorry about that.
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Simon Lundström
Sweden
Örbyhus
Now who are these five?
Come, come, all children who love fairy tales.
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No no, not at all. Seriously, the GW edition probably sold tons more than the Swedish original.
As I've understood, the 'Catacombs' expansion contained… the Catacombs deck, right? So, technically, it must have contained the new room tiles (with Catacombs holes), room cards and search cards.
According to BGG, the 'Heroes' expansion contained ONLY the new four magic rings (actually, it says 8 rings, but I take it that it's the four originals AGAIN (like, it contains 12 heroes, of which 4 are the original)).
Which means there's quite a lot from the 'Catacombs' expansion that didn't make it into the FFG box. The catacombs, tiles and room cards did. Most noteably, the Amulets did not. Neither did the Corpse Eaters (Snotlings). I also don't see the feared Spear Trap. I can't check my FFG DQ right now, but is the Sunstone/Moonstone among the loot cards? What about the Sorcerer's Tome (the one that could teleport you out of the dungeon)?
It irks me a bit, because as an old DQ fan with the original still intact, the most attractive point with the FFG edition was the probability of expansions. But if it didn't sell, I can't blame them. We'll just have to make one ourselves. Let's get going!
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Brett David Spain
United States
Lee's Summit
Missouri
Once in a while it really hits people that they don't have to experience the world in the way they have been told to.
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If FFG is willing to make POD expansions for Mansions of Madness, why wouldn't they release a POD expansion for DQ? POD keeps their production costs down and could potentially increase sales of the base game with renewed word of mouth/buzz.
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Ian Kelly
United States
Longmont
Colorado
Allow me to introduce myself. I am Hexachlorophene J. Goodfortune, Kidnapper-At-Large, and Devourer of Tortoises par Excellence, at your service.
If you can read this, then this sentence is false.
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throwingmuse wrote: If FFG is willing to make POD expansions for Mansions of Madness, why wouldn't they release a POD expansion for DQ? POD keeps their production costs down and could potentially increase sales of the base game with renewed word of mouth/buzz.
Mansions of Madness also has 4439 users owning, which suggests roughly twice the sales of DungeonQuest, and it's only been out half as long.
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Brett David Spain
United States
Lee's Summit
Missouri
Once in a while it really hits people that they don't have to experience the world in the way they have been told to.
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True, but it seems their main risks would simply be development costs (graphic artist, designer, playtesters). If the dollar threshold for development was small enough, the POD format would allow them to print based on real demand rather than expected demand -- they wouldn't be stuck with inventory. If they believed that a certain number of the 2,000+ owners would eventually buy the expansion, they could determine whether the development costs would be covered and whether the profit margin was adequate.
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Simon Lundström
Sweden
Örbyhus
Now who are these five?
Come, come, all children who love fairy tales.
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I don't know the standard calculations on base sales vs expansion sales, but I think the expansion sales for DQ would be slightly higher than the average, as it's an old game and many probably bought it to replace their old version, are familiar with the game and wanted an expansion from day 1 because they had already played it to half death.
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Bobb Beauchamp
United States
Palatine
Illinois
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I can see them working on a premium set of painted hero figures. And Print on Demand card additions. New Tiles...maybe through a PoD order system? But what really does the game NEED in terms of expanding that would drive an expansion. More heroes are really the only thing that comes to mind, and really, would FFG want to make additional heroes using the current system when so many people found the combat system to be so clunky?
Maybe if they released a revised set of hero cards with a new combat system?
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Francis K. Lalumiere
Canada
Brossard
Quebec
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I don't really care about new heroes. Sure, they'd be fun.
But what I want most is more of EVERYTHING ELSE.
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Nate Owens
United States
Olathe
Kansas
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I know more than a couple of people who have held off buying the new game, for hopes that there would one day be an expansion that brought DQ closer in line with the original.
I still say we'll someday see a reprint of DQ from FFG that basically strips out the Terrinoth and just reprints the game, like what they did with Talisman and Wiz-War.
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Scott Lewis
United States
Castle Rock
Colorado
Dread Our Coming, Suffer Our Presence, Embrace Our Glory (Solonavi War Cry)
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San Il Defanso wrote: I know more than a couple of people who have held off buying the new game, for hopes that there would one day be an expansion that brought DQ closer in line with the original.
Apart from the combat, what else is "off" from the original?
Quote: I still say we'll someday see a reprint of DQ from FFG that basically strips out the Terrinoth and just reprints the game, like what they did with Talisman and Wiz-War.
I doubt it; Talisman and Wiz-War were never Terrinoth to begin with in FFG's incarnations. I doubt they would reprint a game that they put in Terrinoth just to remove the Terrinoth elements, considering they have control over their own Terrinoth IP.
That would be like them making a Twilight Imperium 4E but removing all the Twilight Imperium theme and changing it to, say, Star Wars or just generic Sci-Fi.
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Nate Owens
United States
Olathe
Kansas
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It's nothing like that. This isn't a game that they designed for the Terrinoth universe, they transported it. If you ask me, that set up some unrealistic expectations as to what kind of game it actually would be. The other Terrinoth games are fairly involved, long games. DQ is pretty much a goof-off, which just doesn't fit with the rest of the Terrinoth world. So people who like Terrinoth don't get it, because it's nothing like the other Terrinoth games, and people who liked the original aren't so happy because of the changed combat. Boom, the two markets the game NEEDED to appease are turned off.
Not that it's a bad game, or even that the changes were negatives (I just traded for a copy and haven't played yet). I just wouldn't be surprised if they someday take a mulligan on this one. They clearly have no issues releasing new editions of games.
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Scott Lewis
United States
Castle Rock
Colorado
Dread Our Coming, Suffer Our Presence, Embrace Our Glory (Solonavi War Cry)
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San Il Defanso wrote: It's nothing like that. This isn't a game that they designed for the Terrinoth universe, they transported it. If you ask me, that set up some unrealistic expectations as to what kind of game it actually would be. The other Terrinoth games are fairly involved, long games. DQ is pretty much a goof-off, which just doesn't fit with the rest of the Terrinoth world. So people who like Terrinoth don't get it, because it's nothing like the other Terrinoth games, and people who liked the original aren't so happy because of the changed combat. Boom, the two markets the game NEEDED to appease are turned off.
I like Terrinoth, and I "get it". Everyone I've played with, Terrinoth fans or no, also get the "silliness" of it.
My point was, I doubt FFG is going to brand it with Terrinoth and then remove the brand in a later edition. The only way they would "take a mulligan" is if it didn't sell well, and they thought that selling it without the brand would help it sell better. And I doubt that would be the case, honestly.
If the Combat is what you are worried about FFG did release official dice-based combat rules that you can use instead of the cards. They didn't need to redo the whole game for that
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Nate Owens
United States
Olathe
Kansas
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sigmazero13 wrote: San Il Defanso wrote: It's nothing like that. This isn't a game that they designed for the Terrinoth universe, they transported it. If you ask me, that set up some unrealistic expectations as to what kind of game it actually would be. The other Terrinoth games are fairly involved, long games. DQ is pretty much a goof-off, which just doesn't fit with the rest of the Terrinoth world. So people who like Terrinoth don't get it, because it's nothing like the other Terrinoth games, and people who liked the original aren't so happy because of the changed combat. Boom, the two markets the game NEEDED to appease are turned off. I like Terrinoth, and I "get it". Everyone I've played with, Terrinoth fans or no, also get the "silliness" of it. My point was, I doubt FFG is going to brand it with Terrinoth and then remove the brand in a later edition. The only way they would "take a mulligan" is if it didn't sell well, and they thought that selling it without the brand would help it sell better. And I doubt that would be the case, honestly. If the Combat is what you are worried about FFG did release official dice-based combat rules that you can use instead of the cards. They didn't need to redo the whole game for that
Obviously, some people will get into the spirit of it, and you're probably right about redoing the entire setting. Even if there WAS such a shift, I'm sure it would be several years away.
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Simon Lundström
Sweden
Örbyhus
Now who are these five?
Come, come, all children who love fairy tales.
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sigmazero13 wrote: Apart from the combat, what else is "off" from the original?
Card distribution in the dungeon cards. And a vast change to the Catacombs deck (mostly for the good). The prolonged combat made monsters fewer in the dungeon deck, which increased the probability of everything else.
Not that it's a large change. Just saying.
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