Vlad Taltos
United States
Washington
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Yes, intolerance is very wide spread and it comes in multiple forms. The Ultra-Orthodox jews also want to treat women in much the way that Islam and many Christian sects do. You know all covered up, subservient, etc. Look up the harassment of the 8 year old girl in Israel a couple of months back and the Christian cult of the Mars Hill Church as examples.
Also the whole Marriage is for "reproduction purposes" argument is a slap in the face of the many wonderful strait couples that cannot conceive, due to age or medical condition or even by choice for that matter. Your religion commands you to go pump out babies not mine. If I want to marry I don't need your blessing, your church has no authority over me and never will. Because even if some God appeared to me and said worship him\her, I wouldn't do it if I had to join one of these religoius groups that think they have a right to treat others badly. Christianity is a “Lifestyle choice” you weren't born with that affliction, so choose better.
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steven slater
England
County of Essex
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MisterCranky wrote: That process occurs quite regularly already, and is known in the trade as "conversion." You won't find too many denominations that need to overtly offer the process, though, since most folks are already pretty familiar with its availability via word of mouth and word of God.
OK let me re-phrase it, do you think it would be OK for someone to teach that Juedasim was something you shuold want to be rid off (in yourslef). Also you correct no one advertises it, and I bleive that in israle you cannot go from door to door. You are not allowed to publicly offer to cure Jewishness but you can ofer to cure Homosexuality in Israle I beleive.
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Chad Ellis
United States
Brookline
Massachusetts
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slatersteven wrote: Chad_Ellis wrote: Meerkat wrote:
I have to agree with Josh on this one. If somebody wants to seek treatment to purge themselves of same-sex attractions they not only have a right to there should be places to help them do so.
I agree with the first part. I'd quibble with the second, but certainly think people should be able to offer this if they want to. Quote: This website is not "homophobic". They explicitly say they are not out to try and make a judgement about people who are content with who they are. I don't think the conclusion follows from the premise. Almost every group I would consider homophobic has statements on their website that they aren't. Would you consider it acceptable to offer to rid someone of unwanted Jewishness?
Bear in mind the difference between "is acceptable (to me personally)" and "should be allowed". There are all sorts of behavior that I think is bad but that should still be permitted.
To answer the question, yes. I'd think it anti-Semetic to want to offer that service or to think it was of value, but it should be allowed unless a compelling reason can be demonstrated.
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Proud Father and Diabetic Underachiever
United States
State College
Pennsylvania
Grata
Bastard of Internet Ridicule
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slatersteven wrote:
OK let me re-phrase it, do you think it would be OK for someone to teach that Juedasim was something you shuold want to be rid off (in yourslef). Also you correct no one advertises it, and I bleive that in israle you cannot go from door to door. You are not allowed to publicly offer to cure Jewishness but you can ofer to cure Homosexuality in Israle I beleive.
Who cares what they allow in Israel? I am not an Israeli, nor do I consider myself a Zionist. If people are stupid enough to go preach against Judaism in the Jewish State, they deserve a few doors slammed in their faces, at the very least.
As to the idea that proselytizing a "cure" for Judaism is in some way anti-semitic, well, let's just call all of Christianity anti-semitic, and be done with it. If accepting a messiah isn't a cure for religious ailments, then what is?
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steven slater
England
County of Essex
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MisterCranky wrote: slatersteven wrote:
OK let me re-phrase it, do you think it would be OK for someone to teach that Juedasim was something you shuold want to be rid off (in yourslef). Also you correct no one advertises it, and I bleive that in israle you cannot go from door to door. You are not allowed to publicly offer to cure Jewishness but you can ofer to cure Homosexuality in Israle I beleive.
Who cares what they allow in Israel? I am not an Israeli, nor do I consider myself a Zionist. If people are stupid enough to go preach against Judaism in the Jewish State, they deserve a few doors slammed in their faces, at the very least. As to the idea that proselytizing a "cure" for Judaism is in some way anti-semitic, well, let's just call all of Christianity anti-semitic, and be done with it. If accepting a messiah isn't a cure for religious ailments, then what is?
Not all Chrisitan sects proselytiz, and any that specificaly targeted Jews would be called Anti-semtitic http://www.rickross.com/reference/fundamentalists/fund175.ht....
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Proud Father and Diabetic Underachiever
United States
State College
Pennsylvania
Grata
Bastard of Internet Ridicule
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The entire existence of Christianity "targets" Jews. It's really simple--Jews say, "the Messiah is coming," and Christianity says, "the Messiah the Jews are waiting for has already been and gone." All the rest of it is just smoke and mirrors.
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steven slater
England
County of Essex
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MisterCranky wrote: The entire existence of Christianity "targets" Jews. It's really simple--Jews say, "the Messiah is coming," and Christianity says, "the Messiah the Jews are waiting for has already been and gone." All the rest of it is just smoke and mirrors.
Its a pity that everyone is not that tolerant.
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Jon
United States
Vancouver
WA
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slatersteven wrote: MisterCranky wrote: The entire existence of Christianity "targets" Jews. It's really simple--Jews say, "the Messiah is coming," and Christianity says, "the Messiah the Jews are waiting for has already been and gone." All the rest of it is just smoke and mirrors. Its a pity that everyone is not that tolerant.
If we tolerated the intolerant that might breed intolerance so we must be intolerant of the intolerant so our intolerance will breed tolerance.
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steven slater
England
County of Essex
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quozl wrote: slatersteven wrote: MisterCranky wrote: The entire existence of Christianity "targets" Jews. It's really simple--Jews say, "the Messiah is coming," and Christianity says, "the Messiah the Jews are waiting for has already been and gone." All the rest of it is just smoke and mirrors. Its a pity that everyone is not that tolerant. If we tolerated the intolerant that might breed intolerance so we must be intolerant of the intolerant so our intolerance will breed tolerance.
But apparently its not intolerant.
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