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Right now there's a ton of new posts flooding the general forum from a new user such as this one:
http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/759307/enjoy-bolton-wanderer...

This user has posted many such spam messages, several of which are already below the default viewing threshold. I suggest automatically preventing any user still considered a "new user" from starting a new thread once they've been flagged for spam a certain number of times (perhaps 3 strikes) until an admin can review them.
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s3rvant wrote:
Right now there's a ton of new posts flooding the general forum from a new user such as this one:
http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/759307/enjoy-bolton-wanderer...

This user has posted many such spam messages, several of which are already below the default viewing threshold. I suggest automatically preventing any user still considered a "new user" from starting a new thread once they've been flagged for spam a certain number of times (perhaps 3 strikes) until an admin can review them.


I second this, its bloody anoying to wade through all this crap.
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Great idea.
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Decent idea, if it doesn't end up hurting the wrong guys
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Slapz wrote:
Decent idea, if it doesn't end up hurting the wrong guys


Like who? Some one who is a new user and spam attacks us but does so for the best of reasons?
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Maybe we could go a little different route to handle massive spam by being able to report a post for spam without actually going into the thread? It would be dangerous when idiots use it, but useful when trying to clear up the massive spam that's currently going on.
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Perhaps the first post of each new user should be reviewed by a Moderator before it is made public. This will prevent a spammer from just continually creating new user IDs to continue his spamming, and the wait for Moderator review shouldn't hurt a valid (non-spamming) new user.
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D-Rider wrote:
Perhaps the first post of each new user should be reviewed by a Moderator before it is made public. This will prevent a spammer from just continually creating new user IDs to continue his spamming, and the wait for Moderator review shouldn't hurt a valid (non-spamming) new user.

That puts additional work on the admins as there are far more new users then there are new users who post spam. Also, this doesn't stop a spammer from making 1 decent post just to bypass the system and then engaging their bot.
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s3rvant wrote:
D-Rider wrote:
Perhaps the first post of each new user should be reviewed by a Moderator before it is made public. This will prevent a spammer from just continually creating new user IDs to continue his spamming, and the wait for Moderator review shouldn't hurt a valid (non-spamming) new user.

That puts additional work on the admins as there are far more new users then there are new users who post spam. Also, this doesn't stop a spammer from making 1 decent post just to bypass the system and then engaging their bot.


OK, good point. Perhaps there could be a way to not display a thread on the front page if it has been flagged as spam? Or better yet, not display a thread on the front page if its creator has created a different thread flagged as spam?
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D-Rider wrote:
Perhaps the first post of each new user should be reviewed by a Moderator before it is made public. This will prevent a spammer from just continually creating new user IDs to continue his spamming, and the wait for Moderator review shouldn't hurt a valid (non-spamming) new user.


This has been suggested and rejected by the moderators as a frustrating experience for legitimate new users. The idea of locking a new account if one or more of their posts have been flagged as spam pending moderator review seems a decent idea though.

Honestly I've never seen it as being that big of a problem. I see a piece of spam from time to time, but it's usually obvious from the title.
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I wonder how this works...I posted our business website and my account was deleted and I never got an email explaining the policy...I posted because I had seen conversations about web sites. I reregistered (hope I don't get the boot here), and asked about the policy, which was graciously answered.
As anew user, this is a learning curve, and perhaps I might suggest, sending an email would suffice unless it is continual spam.
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Why not what the most popular forum softwares uses for spam prevention?

Ask the new user a question that humans can answer and a spambot can't. For example:

Name a deckbuilding game.

Dominion, Nightfall, Rune Age, etc can all be acceptable answers.

If the user doesn't know the answer, and really wants to become a member, they can google it up. Spambots haven't reached the point of googling it up themselves yet, but they will in a few years I'm sure. Spambots have beat captchas (those scambled word things on registration) for years now.
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Cattlemark wrote:
Why not what the most popular forum softwares uses for spam prevention?

This only stops a fully automated bot. A spammer can easily create multiple accounts at once manually, then use them one at a time to actually spam the forums until each is blocked.

While I do agree that spam "prevention" is important, an adequate "reaction" to spam is also important.
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Ask the new user a question that humans can answer and a spambot can't. For example:

Name a deckbuilding game.

I'm sorry, but that's a terrible example. What makes you think a new user should be expected to know what you even mean by that question?
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Maybe just let new users answer a captcha when they post. Maybe only for the first 10 times or so.
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javapuzzles wrote:
I wonder how this works...I posted our business website and my account was deleted and I never got an email explaining the policy...I posted because I had seen conversations about web sites. I reregistered (hope I don't get the boot here), and asked about the policy, which was graciously answered.
As anew user, this is a learning curve, and perhaps I might suggest, sending an email would suffice unless it is continual spam.


Only as a new user to the internet. Someone running a business and communicating on the internet should probably know the ins and outs of not looking like spam.
 
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timstellmach wrote:

I'm sorry, but that's a terrible example. What makes you think a new user should be expected to know what you even mean by that question?


I don't know...maybe...

Cattlemark wrote:

If the user doesn't know the answer, and really wants to become a member, they can google it up.


Besides, any system like that would have multiple questions. I don't know a thing about euros, but if I was presented with a euro question to join and talk about another subject I was interested in, I'd make a tiny effort to do a search.

In any case, it seems this spam is human based rather than bot-based, so they can do the same thing and get around the questions.
 
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s3rvant wrote:
I suggest automatically preventing any user still considered a "new user" from starting a new thread once they've been flagged for spam a certain number of times (perhaps 3 strikes) until an admin can review them.


I think David's original post offers a neat solution. The only downside is that multiple account could easily get around this.

I also think a 'flag spam' button available only to long term users (or vetted users), which instantly hides spam messages would be worth a look - this way the community can actively tidy up the place, while hopefully reducing the growing burden on mods. Any user who abused this would be dealt with in the strongest way and clearly a key definition of spam would be required - though lets be honest spam is pretty obvious.
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Cattlemark wrote:
timstellmach wrote:

I'm sorry, but that's a terrible example. What makes you think a new user should be expected to know what you even mean by that question?


I don't know...maybe...

Cattlemark wrote:

If the user doesn't know the answer, and really wants to become a member, they can google it up.

As can the user of a free porn site feeding answers into the spam bot. Or the bot itself Googles the phrase "is a deck building game" (or better yet, the same phrase with "site:wikipedia.org") and plugs in the answer. The whole "question only a human can answer" thing is just fatally ill-conceived as a security measure. There is no such thing, because computers can easily be *better* than humans at this task. Think about it: you're saying that humans can be expected to answer the question because they can use computers.

Meanwhile, legitimate new users are turned away because they apparently didn't *want* it badly enough.
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Slapz wrote:
Decent idea, if it doesn't end up hurting the wrong guys


Like who? Some one who is a new user and spam attacks us but does so for the best of reasons?


Well, yes, actually. There's nothing stopping something getting marked as spam that isn't a legitimately meant post. Sometimes people make mistakes on both the posting and flagging side of things.

A blanket auto-response in this situation is overkill and would end up hurting the wrong people while still allowing spam to get through.
 
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This is easily adjusted for by number of flags required to mark a post as spam. There's a ton of users on this forum, we could simply require 10 or more flags to initiate the auto-temp ban. Furthermore we could require those flags to be from users who've been on the forum a while or even just count patron flags. Lots of available options.
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s3rvant wrote:
This is easily adjusted for by number of flags required to mark a post as spam. There's a ton of users on this forum, we could simply require 10 or more flags to initiate the auto-temp ban. Furthermore we could require those flags to be from users who've been on the forum a while or even just count patron flags. Lots of available options.


This is definitely one of the ideas we've had (I think digg.com does something similar) - we just need to make sure that people don't start using it as a tool to stop legitimate users from posting.
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Aldie wrote:
we just need to make sure that people don't start using it as a tool to stop legitimate users from posting.


If you can track down the people who flagged the post as spam, you can easily warn them (and punish them if they repeat stopping legitimate users from posting).
 
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