Richard Lee
United States
Sumter
South Carolina
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This should be an easy question, I think.
A German unit with a standard 4 FP is shooting at an adjacent unit using FPF. The defending unit performed a dash to enter a woods hex adjacent to the German.
I understand the 4 FP is halved for Area Fire due to FPF, and then doubled for PBF vs the adjacent unit, but I'm not sure if it's then halved again due to the Dash.
I believe the answer is no, because the dash benefit is Area Fire which is already in effect due to the FPF, but I'm not sure.
What say you folks?
Rich.
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Lee Kennedy
Canada
Waterloo
Ontario
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A7.23 FP is halved for each application of area fire. Your example would end up at 2 FP.
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Brian Roundhill
United States
Cedar Park
Texas
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It will be halved twice.
A7.23 states that FP is halved for each application of Area Fire.
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FPF = 1/2 x 4 = 2 = 4 due to PBF
Dash = 1/2 x FPF (regardless) = 1/2 x 4 = 2 FP
Total FP = 2 FP
IFT DR is also a NMC roll for the German unit firing.
Note: I may be wrong about this but this is the way I would calculate it.
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Richard Lee
United States
Sumter
South Carolina
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Ok, the American survived the attack, but the German was pinned. If the German fires again for FPF, I assume the FP would now be 1. Correct?
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Lee Kennedy
Canada
Waterloo
Ontario
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Yes. And that pinned FPF snapshot against a dashing concealed unit will get you 1/32xFP.
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Malcolm Cameron
Australia
Sydney
NSW
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No rule book handy, but Dash only gets the benefit of Area Fire in the road hex, not in the end hex.
So this is a 4 FP attack unless I am remembering that incorrectly.
The last example can't happen: a Dashing unit that is fired on cannot be concealed (Dash is non-Assault Movement, and it must be in LOS if someone is shooting ...)
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Lee Kennedy
Canada
Waterloo
Ontario
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Malcolm C wrote: No rule book handy, but Dash only gets the benefit of Area Fire in the road hex, not in the end hex.
So this is a 4 FP attack unless I am remembering that incorrectly.
The last example can't happen: a Dashing unit that is fired on cannot be concealed (Dash is non-Assault Movement, and it must be in LOS if someone is shooting ...)
All DFF against dashing units is area fire, not just in the road(A4.63) It is possible to have LOS for a snapshot but not to the hexes themselves, which would allow the dashing unit to stay concealed.
Edit: Hexside LOS was discussed in this thread earlier today Remove concealment by LOS to hexside
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thelivekennedy wrote: Malcolm C wrote: No rule book handy, but Dash only gets the benefit of Area Fire in the road hex, not in the end hex.
So this is a 4 FP attack unless I am remembering that incorrectly.
The last example can't happen: a Dashing unit that is fired on cannot be concealed (Dash is non-Assault Movement, and it must be in LOS if someone is shooting ...)
All DFF against dashing units is area fire, not just in the road(A4.63) It is possible to have LOS for a snapshot but not to the hexes themselves, which would allow the dashing unit to stay concealed. Edit: Hexside LOS was discussed in this thread earlier today Remove concealment by LOS to hexside
This is incorrect. It is only fire in the road hex that is area fire. See A4.63 half way down.
ordnance Defensive First Fire vs a Dashing unit in the road Location is considered Area Fire except for Fire Lanes and pre-existing Residual FP, but FFMO/FFNAM DRM apply normally
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In the original question, if the road hex was not adjacent to the firer then he could not fire upon it. My reading WA the woods was the a facet location so the fire would have been 4 halved for FPF doubled for adjacent at 0 modifier woods tem and FFNAM. If he pins then he can FPF again but with 2fp. This would be the last opportunity to fire against that unit since you can only FPF against moving unit and he'd have only spent two mf to enter the woods.
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Lee Kennedy
Canada
Waterloo
Ontario
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Vinnie37 wrote:
This is incorrect. It is only fire in the road hex that is area fire. See A4.63 half way down.
ordnance Defensive First Fire vs a Dashing unit in the road Location is considered Area Fire except for Fire Lanes and pre-existing Residual FP, but FFMO/FFNAM DRM apply normally
Oops. Didn't realize I was looking at a 1st edition version of the rules. You're right - only in the road hex.
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