David F
United States
Emeryville
California
Set up a lot of the PBF framework for BSG, Runewars, Small World, The Devil's Castle. PBF in Gears of War, Death Angel, A Game of Thrones. Currently playing Twilight Struggle, Middle-Earth Quest and Eclipse on Vassal.
I'm anal about using the right terms to describe games and have posted an alternative glossary to the inconsistent sprawl in BGG's database and lexicon that is clear, accurate and simple. I care big time about my reviews, ratings and comments.
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Overpower wrote: Next round, gain +2 attack if you play a melee card
(training card) Reversal wrote: If your opponent plays a Melee card, gain attack equal to his card's attack, then cancel his card.
Round 1: Hero plays something, Sauron plays Overpower.
Round 2: Hero plays Reversal, Sauron plays a melee card
Does the Hero's Reversal have the +2 from Sauron's Overpower? I'd say yes, since it doesn't talk about "printed attack value".
What if Sauron plays a melee card that says "+X attack if opponent has printed defense of 0"? Is the +X added to the Hero's Reversal? I think no, since Hero's ability goes first.
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Brian E
United States
Texas
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huh, I think I recognize this situation. It's certainly convoluted.
On this issue I look to the FAQ:
Quote: Q: When a combat card is cancelled, does this cancel any attack and defence
bonuses gained from the previous round?
A: Yes. A canceled combat card has a final attack and defense of 0.
This tells me that attack/defense bonuses from previous rounds are directly intertwined with the current card. They are together and inseparable. Wherever the card goes so to goes the bonuses whether that be to nowhere (in the case of a cancel effect) or to the other player (in the case of Reversal).
Before consulting the FAQ I was leaning the other way on this issue. I tend to think the bonuses apply to the player, not the card and so can't be stolen (or canceled) but the FAQ is pretty clear on the cancel effect so I think you have to roll with the same logic/ruling for Reversal.
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vincit omnia amentia
United States
Howard County
Maryland
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I would say no, that the "card's attack" is the printed attack.
Although I could see the thematic reasoning for it going the completely opposite way, since the point of "reversal" seems to be "deal the damage you would have taken."
The real question is (and has been), does "printed attack value" + "modifiers" = "final attack value." I'd say "yes" with the caveat that the "(final) attack value" is then automatically set to 0 when the card is cancelled, whatever the other two values (but it does not "intertwine" them so much as "overriding" them).
Then, does "card's attack" = "printed attack value" or "final attack value" My thought is that it's the former, so Reversal is only looking at printed values.
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Brian E
United States
Texas
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I prefer your interpretation. I'm not sure if it's right but I like it.
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