Jan Ozimek
Denmark
Aalborg
Must resist M:tG. Boardgames are my methadone :)
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I'm still struggling with the rules, and the (otherwise great) annotated rules don't answer my current question.
Annotated rules wrote:
(3) Feint Option. If he so chooses, the attacker may declare his attack a feint. (Note: if the attack is by road
move [by cavalry units only, starting in reserve], it must be declared a feint). If a feint is declared:
• The attacking player makes his attack declaration, but the attacking pieces do not enter the defense
locale and will end their move in the attack locale instead. If the attacking pieces start their move blocking the
attack approach, they must end it in place. If the attacking pieces start their move in reserve (or, in the case of
pieces moving by road, in a different locale), they may end it either in the attack reserve or blocking the attack
approach. It is not permitted to split the pieces making the attack move and have some blocking while others are
in reserve.
What exactly is meant by this attack declaration? Choose which units will attack (feint), move them if needed, and "pay" the command for the move, I presume? Are they revealed?
Thanks in advance.
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Was George Orwell an Optimist?
United States
Corvallis
Oregon
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"Attack Declaration" has a very specific meaning in NT, and the annotated rules are in error when they say you make one when you feint. A feint ends in step 3, and attack declarations are not made unless you reach step 5.
Few people have the ability to write as precisely as Bowen. A more accessible ruleset is a fine goal, but writing one without losing the precision of the original is a daunting task. Personally, I just stick with Bowen's rules.
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Dallas Tucker
United States
Garland
Texas
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ozimek wrote:
What exactly is meant by this attack declaration? Choose which units will attack (feint), move them if needed, and "pay" the command for the move, I presume? Are they revealed?
Thanks in advance.
You are correct in your presumption. The units are only revealed if they are cavalry making a road feint (to prove that the units could) or artillery if it is going to stay in place and not move in.
EDIT: For some reason I misread your question a little bit, and the above is somewhat wrong. Here is an answer that should be correct:
If the attacker feints, then he declares the move command and moves the pieces (unless they remain in the approach). You reveal cavalry if the feint could only be performed by a road moving cavalry unit. You don't have to reveal the artillery.
[Artillery is revealed if the defender retreats and that attacker uses an artillery in the approach (so they don't have to move into the locale). But that is a different issue.]
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Jan Ozimek
Denmark
Aalborg
Must resist M:tG. Boardgames are my methadone :)
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Thanks to both of you for your impressively quick responses.
Sphere wrote: "Attack Declaration" has a very specific meaning in NT, and the annotated rules are in error when they say you make one when you feint. A feint ends in step 3, and attack declarations are not made unless you reach step 5.
Few people have the ability to write as precisely as Bowen. A more accessible ruleset is a fine goal, but writing one without losing the precision of the original is a daunting task. Personally, I just stick with Bowen's rules.
Actually in that regard the printed manual uses the same wording. I'm pretty sure that only the blue parts have changed (added). In this context attack declaration must mean choose attack command and designate unit(s) only.
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Was George Orwell an Optimist?
United States
Corvallis
Oregon
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ozimek wrote: Actually in that regard the printed manual uses the same wording.
Ah, you're right. My discomfort with alternate rule sets led me astray, and I answered without checking the actual rules. My apologies.
ozimek wrote: I'm pretty sure that only the blue parts have changed (added). In this context attack declaration must mean choose attack command and designate unit(s) only.
Sounds right. If the defender chooses not to retreat, you have to specify which units were given which orders.
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Jan Ozimek
Denmark
Aalborg
Must resist M:tG. Boardgames are my methadone :)
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Whoshim wrote: If the attacker feints, then he declares the move command and moves the pieces (unless they remain in the approach). You reveal cavalry if the feint could only be performed by a road moving cavalry unit. You don't have to reveal the artillery.
But in event of a feint the attacker decides if he wants to move units into the approach, right?
The rules wrote: • The attacking player makes his attack declaration, but the attacking pieces do not enter the defense
locale and will end their move in the attack locale instead. If the attacking pieces start their move blocking the
attack approach, they must end it in place. If the attacking pieces start their move in reserve (or, in the case of
pieces moving by road, in a different locale), they may end it either in the attack reserve or blocking the attack
approach. It is not permitted to split the pieces making the attack move and have some blocking while others are
in reserve.
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ozimek wrote: But in event of a feint the attacker decides if he wants to move units into the approach, right?
Yes, unless the attacking units are already in the approach, in which case they must stay in place.
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