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So this is a dumb question from someone who should know better, but our PBEM game is being held up over a discussion on this issue: When powers are at war and are agreeing to make peace, are they also unable to make an alliance, in the same diplomacy phase?

From what we can tell rule 9.1 Negotiations seems to prevent this.

Two powers may agree to end a war they are fighting. End the
war as described in Step 8 of the Peace Segment Procedure
(Section 9.3). Exception: The Protestant may never end wars
with the Hapsburgs and Papacy that were triggered by the
Schmalkaldic League Mandatory Event. War Winner VP are
not awarded when a war is ended in this fashion (i.e. by mutual
agreement; this way of ending a war is commonly known as
a “white peace”).

Two powers may form an alliance for exactly one turn (Section
9.2), but not if they are currently at war and are not
agreeing to end that war (see above).

Example:

The Papacy and France are at war on Turn one.
The Papacy and France can make peace in the diplomacy phase during Turn two, however they cannot agree to an alliance (until Turn three).

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Two powers who are agreeing to end their war can enter directly into an alliance during diplomacy.

This is a sort of a clunky sentence, but it covers it:

"Two powers may form an alliance for exactly one turn (Section
9.2), but not if they are currently at war and are not
agreeing to end that war (see above)." Note the the "are not agreeing".

It effectively says "you may not be allied and still remain at war."

You may not form an alliance in the same turn that one of the proposed allies sues the other for peace, because peace suits happen after the diplomatic announcements phase.
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Thank you! I also did some digging and found this thread where Ed answers this question as well.
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