Paul - the
Sweden
Lund
What's going on down there?
¡uʍop ǝpısd∩
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At least this thread answers why possessed tank suddenly disappeared from the front page. I had no idea that only general threads are visible there.
Possessed tank will be back!
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Wendell
United States
Arlington
Virginia
All the little chicks with crimson lips, go...
Hey, get your stinking cursor off my face! I got nukes, you know.
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leroy43 wrote: Ashitaka wrote: Would you like me to move it there?
No. "General" allows for non-dedicated wargame forum readers to have a better chance of coming across it accidentally. There are non-wargamers who read military history.
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Leo Zappa
United States
Aliquippa
Pennsylvania
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leroy43 wrote: Ashitaka wrote: Would you like me to move it there?
No.
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look, you can't install a moderator and then find that he has nothing to do. So you split up the forum so het gets a reason to move things around. High scores on KPIs, managament happy. Users perplexed to unhappy.
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jurdj wrote: look, you can't install a moderator and then find that he has nothing to do. So you split up the forum so het gets a reason to move things around. High scores on KPIs, managament happy. Users perplexed to unhappy.
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Carl Fritz
United States
Bethel Park
Pennsylvania
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desertfox2004 wrote:
It might be guerrilla warfare.
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Fury wrote: I'm guessing there was a debate about introducing subforums in the first place, that I missed.
Actually, first the subforums were introduced and then there was a debate.
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Hi diddle dee dee. Goddamn. The pirate's life for me.
United States
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Wilhammer wrote: TonyClifton wrote: Why are all the best things Blue?
AND
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Roger Hobden
Canada
Montreal
Quebec
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Ashitaka wrote:
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Bob
United States
Nebraska
Don't squat with your spurs on.
Never approach a bull from the front, a horse from the rear, or a fool from any direction.
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Mallet wrote:
"... the representational act does not repeat an event that has already happened - the repetition of a dead event."
-Francis Bacon and the Loss of Self-
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Look, clearly this whole subforum thing is flawed. What goes where appears to depend on the topic set by the OP. A thread on CRT modelling in Case Blue can degenerate into Brezhnev boob shots and it'll still stay in General because of the topic heading. This is stupid.
Now that I've proven the absurdity of it all: TRASH THE SUB FORUMS!
Thank you.
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"L'état, c'est moi."
Canada
Vancouver
BC
Roger's Reviews: check out my reviews page, right here on BGG!
Who let this guy become wargame subdomain moderator anyways?
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Moved to AWOL.
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Leo Zappa
United States
Aliquippa
Pennsylvania
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usrlocal wrote: Look, clearly this whole subforum thing is flawed. What goes where appears to depend on the topic set by the OP. A thread on CRT modelling in Case Blue can degenerate into Brezhnev boob shots and it'll still stay in General because of the topic heading. This is stupid.
Now that I've proven the absurdity of it all: TRASH THE SUB FORUMS!
Thank you.
I will make one observation, which is not entirely scientific, but empirical in nature, and it is an observation I can now safely make as this thread has been consigned to the wargaming dustbin. I have kept one eye on the new thread postings in the 'general' forum since the split of the wargaming forum into these new sub-forums. From what I can see, it's still the same people posting threads, and mostly the same people responding to those threads, as before the split. I thought this split was done to encourage apparent wargaming lurkers who claimed to have been intimidated by the 'suffocating nature' of insider jokes posted by the old guard to come out of their closets and begin to contribute to the forum. I do recall quite vividly some people who had apparently been amongst these supposed lurkers posting some crowing threads and responses with their fervent support of the busting up of the old forum, almost taunting the old regime. Now, however, it seems as though those people have shrunk back into the shadows. I can't say as I can recall seeing even one new thread in the general wargaming forum from the people who were proclaiming victory over the old crew. All of this upheaval, and at the end of the day, it does not seem to have accomplished its primary goal.
Just sayin'.
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Val Ruza
Canada
Elmira
Ontario
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Ashitaka wrote: Fill free to keep flogging Peter!  From what I've heard, it doesn't sound like the new UI will be ready this year, so we'll be living with this awhile... 
This is interesting if true, because the original argument used was that this will quickly become a non-issue since the new UI will be out soon. I submit that 11 months or more is not understanding of what soon means. I have adapted to having to look around for items, so that is not too much of a problem for me, I guess my point is I hope soon means sooner than next year.
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leroy43 wrote: Moved to AWOL.
QED
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That's it. I'm outta here until the subfora are scrapped, or the new interface makes using these forums manageable. See y'all over at CSW in the meantime.
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Jonathan Harrison
United States
Fisher
Illinois
South Quarter Independent Games
Firp! ding! blast!
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Michael Dorosh wrote: [T]he clicky-brigade [...] thumb up their buddies to rack up each other's meaningless thumb totals - I said before, this is going to actively dissuade those "lurkers" you're talking about, who see the smart-arse comments get the lion's share of attention, and just not bother.
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The sense of entitlement they have displayed throughout all this has been astonishing.
You seriously think that the reason those who don't participate here don't do so is because they think they won't get enough thumbs for doing so?
You confuse me sometimes. Your comments seem suffused with such a sense of alternate reality that I sometimes wonder which BGG you're talking about.
Pay me in thumbs, or I'll delete this comment!
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Lucius Cornelius
United States
Vindolanda
Britannia
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Michael Dorosh wrote: I said that adolescent posts are acknowledged not on their merits (i.e. relevance to the topic of the forum) but for the ability of the poster to impress his buddies with his childish behaviour, or in many cases, simply how popular they are. You all know who does this. I think most people thumb what they like, not just what they deem to "merit" the precious thumbs, and they are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
And we all know deserving posts or wargamers also get their share of acknowledgements despite the shenanigans.
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Val Ruza
Canada
Elmira
Ontario
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Michael Dorosh wrote: desertfox2004 wrote: usrlocal wrote: Look, clearly this whole subforum thing is flawed. What goes where appears to depend on the topic set by the OP. A thread on CRT modelling in Case Blue can degenerate into Brezhnev boob shots and it'll still stay in General because of the topic heading. This is stupid.
Now that I've proven the absurdity of it all: TRASH THE SUB FORUMS!
Thank you.
I will make one observation, which is not entirely scientific, but empirical in nature, and it is an observation I can now safely make as this thread has been consigned to the wargaming dustbin. I have kept one eye on the new thread postings in the 'general' forum since the split of the wargaming forum into these new sub-forums. From what I can see, it's still the same people posting threads, and mostly the same people responding to those threads, as before the split. I thought this split was done to encourage apparent wargaming lurkers who claimed to have been intimidated by the 'suffocating nature' of insider jokes posted by the old guard to come out of their closets and begin to contribute to the forum. I do recall quite vividly some people who had apparently been amongst these supposed lurkers posting some crowing threads and responses with their fervent support of the busting up of the old forum, almost taunting the old regime. Now, however, it seems as though those people have shrunk back into the shadows. I can't say as I can recall seeing even one new thread in the general wargaming forum from the people who were proclaiming victory over the old crew. All of this upheaval, and at the end of the day, it does not seem to have accomplished its primary goal. Just sayin'. It may be that the "old crew" (read: lifestylers) have made the forums such a distasteful place to be, with their constant pissing, moaning, and childish antics, that anyone with better things to do is probably possessed of the desire to just go and do those things rather than waste their time trying to make themselves heard starting new threads among the noise which now populates not just one forum, but three. And yeah, that includes the clicky-brigade, who thumb up their buddies to rack up each other's meaningless thumb totals - I said before, this is going to actively dissuade those "lurkers" you're talking about, who see the smart-arse comments get the lion's share of attention, and just not bother. Pete posts about his leaving for CSW as if it was a threat. A few more clique lifestylers heading for greener pastures would probably do the site some good, to be honest. The sense of entitlement they have displayed throughout all this has been astonishing.
I personally enjoy both your and Pete's posts. I do think complaining about who and what gets thumbs is odd, but I will thumb you for it anyway!
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Sam H
Canada
Montreal
Québec
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Michael Dorosh wrote: Pete posts about his leaving for CSW as if it was a threat. A few more clique lifestylers heading for greener pastures would probably do the site some good, to be honest.
Always love your comments: friendly, constructive and inclusive to newcomers. Keep up the good work. 
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"L'état, c'est moi."
Canada
Vancouver
BC
Roger's Reviews: check out my reviews page, right here on BGG!
Who let this guy become wargame subdomain moderator anyways?
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usrlocal wrote: That's it. I'm outta here until the subfora are scrapped, or the new interface makes using these forums manageable. See y'all over at CSW in the meantime. The new UI is coming along. I'm still participating in the beta test. The new UI has its good and bad points, but on the whole it's a big improvement over the current one.
For us, the big thing is that you can see all the wargame subfora, assuming of course that you set up your personal front page that way. For the general visitor to BGG, they'll see wargame/general only, until they fall for our charms and join the thumb bombing posse.
Speaking of subfora, they're here to stay. The biggest problem from my perspective is the fuzzy line between "historical context" and "general".
In related news, the poll is currently running pretty strongly in favour of keeping the AWOL name as is.
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Leo Zappa
United States
Aliquippa
Pennsylvania
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Michael Dorosh wrote: desertfox2004 wrote: usrlocal wrote: Look, clearly this whole subforum thing is flawed. What goes where appears to depend on the topic set by the OP. A thread on CRT modelling in Case Blue can degenerate into Brezhnev boob shots and it'll still stay in General because of the topic heading. This is stupid.
Now that I've proven the absurdity of it all: TRASH THE SUB FORUMS!
Thank you.
I will make one observation, which is not entirely scientific, but empirical in nature, and it is an observation I can now safely make as this thread has been consigned to the wargaming dustbin. I have kept one eye on the new thread postings in the 'general' forum since the split of the wargaming forum into these new sub-forums. From what I can see, it's still the same people posting threads, and mostly the same people responding to those threads, as before the split. I thought this split was done to encourage apparent wargaming lurkers who claimed to have been intimidated by the 'suffocating nature' of insider jokes posted by the old guard to come out of their closets and begin to contribute to the forum. I do recall quite vividly some people who had apparently been amongst these supposed lurkers posting some crowing threads and responses with their fervent support of the busting up of the old forum, almost taunting the old regime. Now, however, it seems as though those people have shrunk back into the shadows. I can't say as I can recall seeing even one new thread in the general wargaming forum from the people who were proclaiming victory over the old crew. All of this upheaval, and at the end of the day, it does not seem to have accomplished its primary goal. Just sayin'. It may be that the "old crew" (read: lifestylers) have made the forums such a distasteful place to be, with their constant pissing, moaning, and childish antics, that anyone with better things to do is probably possessed of the desire to just go and do those things rather than waste their time trying to make themselves heard starting new threads among the noise which now populates not just one forum, but three. And yeah, that includes the clicky-brigade, who thumb up their buddies to rack up each other's meaningless thumb totals - I said before, this is going to actively dissuade those "lurkers" you're talking about, who see the smart-arse comments get the lion's share of attention, and just not bother. Pete posts about his leaving for CSW as if it was a threat. A few more clique lifestylers heading for greener pastures would probably do the site some good, to be honest. The sense of entitlement they have displayed throughout all this has been astonishing.
Michael, the point I was making is that these things you point out may have all been true, but then the subforums were created so that the 'childish' posts would be isolated off the front page, such that the general forum would be 'cleansed' and dedicated to 'true' wargaming content. And to a large degree, this has happened. Despite this transformation, the lurkers continue to lurk, rather than take advantage of the now more focused general wargaming forum. The table is set for the lurkers to emerge, and yet, to date, I haven't seen them post. So, the admins go out of their way to accommodate these lurkers, disrupting the active forum members, and then...nothing. So, I don't think it's unreasonable for those who have been active in the forum all this time and had their forum participation disrupted to be now somewhat resentful that the lurkers who apparently spurred the admin actions to split the forum still aren't participating. Were they lurkers, or just griefers, and did they just punk the admins with their complaints?
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Jonathan Harrison
United States
Fisher
Illinois
South Quarter Independent Games
Firp! ding! blast!
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leroy43 wrote: The new UI is coming along. I'm still participating in the beta test. The new UI has its good and bad points, but on the whole it's a big improvement over the current one.
For us, the big thing is that you can see all the wargame subfora, assuming of course that you set up your personal front page that way. For the general visitor to BGG, they'll see wargame/general only, until they fall for our charms and join the thumb bombing posse.
I hope with time the new UI gets faster. For me it's slow as molasses. Takes forever to load anything up (it's not my connection). I'll try to do my beta feedback duty, but as for actually using BGG for myself, I only use normal BGG. Faster and (so far) easier.
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"L'état, c'est moi."
Canada
Vancouver
BC
Roger's Reviews: check out my reviews page, right here on BGG!
Who let this guy become wargame subdomain moderator anyways?
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HuginnGreiling wrote: leroy43 wrote: The new UI is coming along. I'm still participating in the beta test. The new UI has its good and bad points, but on the whole it's a big improvement over the current one.
For us, the big thing is that you can see all the wargame subfora, assuming of course that you set up your personal front page that way. For the general visitor to BGG, they'll see wargame/general only, until they fall for our charms and join the thumb bombing posse. I hope with time the new UI gets faster. For me it's slow as molasses. Takes forever to load anything up (it's not my connection). I'll try to do my beta feedback duty, but as for actually using BGG for myself, I only use normal BGG. Faster and (so far) easier.
But yes, slow as molasses.
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Jonathan Harrison
United States
Fisher
Illinois
South Quarter Independent Games
Firp! ding! blast!
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Glad to hear it. Wasn't sure whether it was extra debug code being run behind the UI, or what. What you say makes sense.
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