J Lacson
United States
Honolulu
Hawaii
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I didn't know what it meant when I first got into the hobby and saw it in a rulebook.
I used Google and found out pretty quickly. I don't see the need to put it in. Besides, it's about time we got back to the old phrase "Go look it up."
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I would definitely include a definition. The way orthogonal is used in board games is not a strictly correct way of using the word mathematically. Orthogonality always needs a reference, here the reference is assumed to be the edge of the tile or space, but the two upper corner pieces are orthogonal to each other and also adjacent to the original piece, leading to possible ambiguity.
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Arch Stanton
United States
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If you know chess, rooks move orthogonally and bishops don't.
How to remember this? Rook and orthogonal share an r.
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Sturv Tafvherd
United States
North Carolina
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Yoren wrote: While I know what it means, not everyone will know it deals with the musculoskletal system and which bones are next each other.
hee hee...
Orthodonically adjacent?
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Sturv Tafvherd
United States
North Carolina
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Sam and Max wrote: Yoren wrote: While I know what it means, not everyone will know it deals with the musculoskletal system and which bones are next each other. Last time I used it was in trig. There you go -- your tax dollars at work educating kids to learn an obscure game term when they could be spending their math time learning personal investing and supply and demand curves.
Only one problem with that ... most likely, the people responsible for the recent economic downturns were the ones who spent too much time studying all that and finding ways to abuse them.
... so I'd really rather have them learning fun games. 
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Sturv Tafvherd
United States
North Carolina
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Phagocyte wrote:
If you know chess, rooks move orthogonally and bishops don't.
How to remember this? Rook and orthogonal share an r.
... but.... but ... Bishops don't have a d.
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J C Lawrence
United States
Campbell
California
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True, but they've clearly been whacked about the head with sword and thus have a cocked hat.
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Arch Stanton
United States
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Orthogonal is rook spelled backwards.
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Chris
United States
Huntington Station
New York
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The first time I saw this word I could tell what it meant with no trouble.
frumpish wrote: Those who are familiar with the word can overlook the two word definition
Can you give the 'two word definition', please?
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T. R.
United States
Minneapolis
Minnesota
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Liumas wrote: The first time I saw this word I could tell what it meant with no trouble. frumpish wrote: Those who are familiar with the word can overlook the two word definition Can you give the 'two word definition', please?
I was quoting the op.
not diagonally.
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James Woodall
United States
Houston
Texas
Look like a guy with a plan?
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Liumas wrote: The first time I saw this word I could tell what it meant with no trouble. frumpish wrote: Those who are familiar with the word can overlook the two word definition Can you give the 'two word definition', please?
1. intersectingor lyingatrightangles
2. havingasumofproductsoranintegralthatiszero orsometimesoneunderspecificconditions
Edit:...
and an actual 3rd proper two word: statistically independent
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J C Lawrence
United States
Campbell
California
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Liumas wrote: Can you give the 'two word definition', please?
Shared side.
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joe_salamone wrote: I know what it means. But why not add the extra explanation? It won't hurt anything.
I think most will know it means "not diagonally", but it makes sense to be explicit for the rest.
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Kevin Brown
United States
Macon
Georgia
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"Orthogonal" has several definitions, depending on the context in which it is used. If your game involves vectors, for example, I wouldn't recommend using it to mean "not diagonal".
Saying "vertically or horizontally adjacent" doesn't take much more space than "orthogonally adjacent" and is at least as clear.
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Michael Lavender
Australia
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Have you considered changing to a hex based map board? This will overcome any problems regarding people misunderstanding what orthogonally adjenct tiles means during game play!
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Jenks
United Kingdom
Carterton
Oxfordshire
Maybe one day...
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Thanks for all the input. I'll make sure I add clarification.
It is interesting to see quite how difficult it can be to write succinct, unambiguous rules...
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Slev Sleddeddan
United Kingdom
Victoria Park
Manchester
What part of "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn" don't you understand?
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"Orthogonal" is a concept I was taught at secondary school, in the third year of secondary school (age 13-14) IIRC. As it is thus part of basic education, I'd never considered people might not know its meaning.
Knowing it's meaning, "Orthogonally Adjacent" is straight forward.
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Snooze Festival
United States
Hillsborough
North Carolina
We love our pups!! Misu, RIP 28 Nov 2010. Tikka, RIP 11 Aug 2011.
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Yes, but people are stupid. Not most people, and not most of the time, and certainly not most people who'll answer the poll; but in general, we all have our moments. Of course, intelligent non-native speakers may have trouble with the term, too.
You should definitely include clarifying text (AND an illustration) in the rules!
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Rob Ryan
United States
Bellevue
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No, you are not right...
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Australia
S-E Melbourne
Victoria
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I think you are assuming that people reading the rules will share your assumptions and background information about "orthogonal". It may not be so clear cut. Check the wikipedia definition, there are a lot of ways to interpret it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthogonality
By all means use orthogonal - but explain the "boardgamer definition" and use a diagram.
Otherwise you'll confuse the hell out of a statistician.
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David Sant
United States
Easton
Massachusetts
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I voted Yes, that I know. But I still think you should include the further explanation, because those newer to gaming may not know.
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Ron Glass
United States
Tampa
Florida
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Darn, and all this time I thought it was about boring bird watchers
Actually, I knew what it meant, but hadn't seen it in wargames much since most use hexagons... until I played AGRICOLA where it shows up on some of the cards.
Ron
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Tim Seitz
United States
Glen Allen
VA
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Jenkachu wrote: Thanks for all the input. I'll make sure I add clarification.
It is interesting to see quite how difficult it can be to write succinct, unambiguous rules...
Don't use $5 words when 1 cent words will do just fine.
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Michael Duckworth
United States
Williamsburg
Virginia
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frumpish wrote: Liumas wrote: The first time I saw this word I could tell what it meant with no trouble. frumpish wrote: Those who are familiar with the word can overlook the two word definition Can you give the 'two word definition', please? I was quoting the op. not diagonally.
I don't think definition means what I think you think definition means.
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Sturv Tafvherd
United States
North Carolina
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PhygLeGuy wrote: frumpish wrote: Liumas wrote: The first time I saw this word I could tell what it meant with no trouble. frumpish wrote: Those who are familiar with the word can overlook the two word definition Can you give the 'two word definition', please? I was quoting the op. not diagonally.I don't think definition means what I think you think definition means.
Inconceivable!!!
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