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Monroe, NY (Feb. 18, 2012) – GameKnight is pleased to announce its first Kickstarter project. The goal of this project is to create a customized set of poker chips designed to meet the needs of board gamers.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1417272643/poker-chips-d...

We noticed that many board gamers use poker chips as a replacement for the currency included with games. This custom set of chips will address all of the shortcomings of typical poker chip sets. GameKnight hired an experienced chip designer to create a set of chips that will both look great and cover the right denominations commonly used in board games.

We made a decision to use ceramic chips instead of the cheaper clay chips. Ceramic chips have better durability, and allow for designs that can cover the entire chip.

GameKnight analyzed many games to determine the best denominations to develop, and how many of each are needed to cover the majority of games.

This is the type of product that people only need to buy once, so getting all of the details right is extremely important.

Using Kickstarter funding platform, we hope to achieve the volume needed to make this project financially viable.

More details about his project can be found on kickstarter.com. Additional information about this project, and other topics of interest to gamers can be found on the GameKnight ( www.gameknight.com) website.
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i think this is a great idea as i have been intending for a long time to get a set of poker chips for board games. and my initial impression was that i would automatically support this kickstarter project.

but, yowz, those are some pricey chips. for even two hundred chips, its nearly a dollar each. i think i would definitely be interested in a more affordable set of chips. (without the need for $2 and $3 denominations - i always thought it was weird when they used those in board games).
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I agree. I don't want value 2 or 3 chips. I don't care that some games in include them, they are unnecessary and just cause extra change making. If you have enough ones, there is no need for them.

And having both a 20 and 25 denomination is excessive.

Using chips a replacement doesn't mean you need to have the same denominations as the game. I sometimes use chips and I never even bother to look at what comes with the game when I use them. It doesn't matter what the original game uses. 1s and 5s work fine regardless of what comes with the game. Same goes for 25s vs. 20s.

It is irrelevant what the most common denominations come with games. What I want is what works most efficiently. 2s, 3s, and 20s are not efficient when you have 5s and 25s you can use instead.


You list all the pros of ceramic chips but leave out their huge con: they are a much more expensive. Right now to even get a usable set of chips for most games would require spending $275. Even then I would consider it if there were both nice enough and useful enough. But currently they have too many inefficient and wasteful denominations.
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As someone, who is not used to having a quarter as a coin, I would strongly support 20 chip vs the 25. And I surely agree, that denominations 2 and 3 are not required. Especially both of them... On the other hand I am not going to support the project, because the price is way too big for me to spend it on boardgames, so this is just my 2 cents...

And by the way, the link to Kickstarter in the original post doesn't work...
 
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It should be noted that the 2-value and 3-value chips are only in the higher-tier packages. Definitely pricey, but last year I spent about $150 on a high-quality poker chip set (with denominations) and it's totally been worth it. But it still bugs me that I have no "10" chips... Standard poker set goes from 1 to 5 to 25, so the "I Love Gaming" package (1, 5, 10, 20) would certainly have been more functional for me.

Anyhoo here's a working link:

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1417272643/poker-chips-d...
 
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Feel free to check out the handy chart posted on my website (www.gameknight.com). As you'll see, only the higher priced sets include the full range of chips.

I understand this set is not for everyone, ceramic chips are definitely more expensive than clay. Clay just doesn't offer the ability to have designs that cover the entire chip, which IMHO, looks much better.


Also, if the mix of denominations is the only thing holding you back, I've modified the rewards to bascially allow backers to select a quantity of chips and then choose any combination of the available denominations for their set. This ability to customize a set will only be offered as part of the kickstarter project.

Thanks for the feedback!

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dbreen27 wrote:
GameKnight analyzed many games to determine the best denominations to develop, and how many of each are needed to cover the majority of games.


And nobody asked for 500, 1000, or 5000?

How well do they stack? Will you include spares?

And, sheesh, $275 for a 300-chip set? I've been trying to rev myself up for ~$125 for a ~300-chip clay set that I know feels good, stacks well, and is easy to read from the side (matching the set that our main 18xx supplier brings).
 
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Tim,

There have been a few comments (including yours) regarding the cost of ceramic chips. Ceramic chips cost more than clay just like a BMW costs more than a Honda. In the end, they are both cars, but they aren't the same car. I made the decision early on that if I was going to do this project, I would make no sacrifices. I could have went with clay and provided a cheaper set, but I wanted to make a product that I would be 100% happy to own myself. Like I've said earlier, these chips are probably not for everyone.

The 'stacking' of the ceramic chips is comparable to clay in my personal opinion. My advice would be to check the web, there are plenty of comparisions between clay versus ceramics out there to look it.

As for the denominations, I'm sure whatever set of denominations I arrived at, there will be some folks that have games that need different ones. I think the ones I am providing will cover a significant number of games in a typical collection.
 
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Just to add my too cents. I was very close to supporting this but in the end $60 is just too much to spend. I would love to see a support level that removed the 2 or the 3 and had maybe a few less of the large numbers. You don't need 50 of the large numbers, just 25. That would put it into a price range I think many more would support.

Else I'll just stick with Campaign Coins from Piazo.

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James - Please take a look at the updates for the project. You can really customize any of the levels you wish. just pick the level that has the number of chips you want, and you can pick out what denominiations you'd like. I'm probably going to add some more info to the reward descriptions to make sure people see it.

I'm a little confused, as the $59 reward level just includes '1's' and '5's. The 2/3 chips start appearing in the higher reward levels.
 
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Ah, that's a good idea if you can pull that off.

But I'd also suggest a $40 commitment level. I think you'd get more buy-in.

James
 
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dbreen27 wrote:
Feel free to check out the handy chart posted on my website (www.gameknight.com). As you'll see, only the higher priced sets include the full range of chips.

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Yes, but the higher priced sets are also the only really usable sets. Just 1s and 5s are in the lower priced set and that is not really usable for most games.

Change that I Love Gaming to 1s, 5s or 10s, 20s or 25s and 100s and it starts to get interesting. That's a usable set. The current set up has too many chips in denominations too close together and its highest denomination is a 20. That really limits what games it is useful for too much.

Edit: I see now this on the kickstarter site:



Not cheap and a luxury item for sure, but that has me seriously thinking about it.
 
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I was discussing this with a friend last night while being flogged at Takenoko. He said they looked nice, but would prefer "mini-chips", which I'd never heard of, but he'd seen, used, and admired. Are different sizes viable?

Very tempted by this.
 
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Evan - the good news is that you can pick out the distribution you want. So if that's what is holding you back..that problem is solved.
 
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Doug - I've seen mini plastic chips, but I don't think I've seen mini's made of clay or ceramic.

I am only focused on poker sized chips. I haven't seen any types of mini chips that can be customized in my research.
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Who is manufacturing the chips? Sun-Fly? ABCgiftsandawards? Palm Gaming? Chipco?

What "clay" chips were you looking at? No custom clay chip I know is cheaper than a custom ceramic. It is a common misconception that plastic 10.5 gram chips are clay. Then there are China clays, but that is another conversation.
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One more thing - do you have edgespots? Are they aligned or unaligned?
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I have quotes from a few manufacturers. I haven't finalized which one that I will be using yet.

The design has no edge spots.
 
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These look really awesome. I've got some of the mini numbered poker chips that MeeplePeople used to sell and they are really handy. These are much nicer. I'm seriously considering the 200 chip set so will keep checking in as the campaign progresses.

I don't think the price is bad at all. I've seen nice poker sets and they are similar price. I love the graphic design on these. I'm curious how the art is put. Other sets I've seen are stickers in the center part of the disc. Are these silk screened on and how will the art hold up over prolonged use?
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I asked about manufacturers because there are at least three types of ceramic chips. Some have a ribbed (it feels leticular) surface, some are smooth, and some are grainy/textured. You should also get prototype samples in your hands before you proceed, because the brightness and contrast and even detail in your inlays can be lost with the wrong manufacturer, as this thread points out:

http://www.chiptalk.net/forum/custom-chips-general/56192-nee...

Quotes mean little - samples are everything. If you do it right, you can get chips that look like these. (Not mine)




Sweet!
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Those samples are nice! I'm curious how they lay the art on them and how they hold up. I get the impression casinos don't reuse chips for a very long time while we'd want to use our own chips for years to come. I'm hoping the art doesn't scratch off too easily.
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ScottE wrote:
Those samples are nice! I'm curious how they lay the art on them and how they hold up. I get the impression casinos don't reuse chips for a very long time while we'd want to use our own chips for years to come. I'm hoping the art doesn't scratch off too easily.


Ceramic artwork is extremely durable. Some casinos use ceramic chips because they last longer than compression clay chips. My guess is it would take at least one to two years of 24/7 use at the tables for ceramic chips to start showing wear. Home poker players and board gamers never have to worry about wear on our chips. We will never use them enough.
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EvanMinn wrote:
I agree. I don't want value 2 or 3 chips. I don't care that some games in include them, they are unnecessary and just cause extra change making. If you have enough ones, there is no need for them.


It depends on the game. It's nice for games where you're routinely receiving money/vp in a specific amount to have money/vp tokens in those amounts. For example, having the 2 vp letter in Golden City is handy because so many vps are handed out in 2 vp increments. Having said that, I can count to 2 just fine and wouldn't be heartbroken if it was left out. (Which I have the choice to do, as mentioned above.)

Given the choice, I'd drop the 3 and add a $500. Hard to play Monopoly without the $500. (Seriously though, I'm not sure that capping the set at $100 goes high enough. $500 would probably suffice.)

I'm not sure that having both a $20 and a $25 is necessary either, but I'm not sure which I'd keep. There are several games that would benefit from having the 20, and others that would work easier with the 25. (In the current incarnation I'd probably keep the $20 just because it's gold. In some games (Dungeonlords) I'd probably just use the gold chips and forget the denomination. There are fewer games that use emeralds. (Although having a green chip would be nice for other resources like food (again, Dungeonlords...darn maybe I would need both.))
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GreyArcher wrote:
Given the choice, I'd drop the 3 and add a $500. Hard to play Monopoly without the $500.


Hard to play 7 Wonders without a 3
 
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Two 1's is an easy way to make 2... 3 is harder and saves the most chips. 20+5 is easy to do, so I'd do 20's not 25's.

I'd love to see designs as cool as the train ones above. Or something more colorful then the ones shown in the examples at kick starter which are harder to read and not nearly as cool as seeing a meeple on the chip or something like that.

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