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Mexico City, Feb 23 (EFE).- Archaeologists carrying out restoration at the Dzibilnocac site in the southeastern state of Campeche discovered a Mayan game board dating from more than 1,000 years ago, Mexico's National Institute of Anthropology and History said.

A member of the team that found the artifact, Heber Ojeda, estimates the board was used between the 7th and 10th centuries during the Late Classic period of Dzibilnocac.

"It is an esgraffito scoreboard of approximately 50 centimeters (19.68 inches) on each side, which was discovered on the floor of the second highest space" in the building denoted A1, the archaeologist said.

Etched into the surface of the board are 58 rectangles of varying sizes and players would have used beans as game tokens, Ojeda said.

One of his colleagues, Judith Gallegos Gomora, said the board was designed for patolli, a game of chance described in Mayan codices and colonial Spanish chronicles.

She added, however, that the board bears a resemblance to the Maya quincunx, a schematic representation of the universe, and would likely also have been used for divination.
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Etched into the surface of the board are 58 rectangles of varying sizes and players would have used beans as game tokens, Ojeda said.

I can just see little Mayan children fighting over who got to be the kidney bean.
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Hmm, so it's either a Mayan Ouji board or Mayan poker table.
 
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berserkley wrote:
FFG has announced a reprint will be released in early 2013.
Six expansions are planned... if all goes well, that is.
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Knew at once that it was going to be a version of Patolli. They've found a lot of board games etched into Mayan buildings in the past:

From R.C. Bell's "Board and Table Games from Many Civilizations" (pg 3)

It's believed that the game originated in Korean Nyout and was taken to North America via the Berring Straits. There it developed into the Native American game Zon Ahl before heading south in to Central America where it would become Patolli.

Interestingly enough, Nyout (the supposed origin game) was believed to have a hand in divination as well.

You can read more about its development in my geeklist I Ching and Arrows - On the Origin of Chess.
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berserkley wrote:
FFG has announced a reprint will be released in early 2013.


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berserkley wrote:
FFG has announced a reprint will be released in early 2013.

Ironic, considering the world is supposed to end in 2012. You know, according to the Mayans.
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and players would have used beans as game tokens, Ojeda said.


I'd think they would have made it bigger and used severed heads. Probably a lot of those stacking up in the corner.
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Hello Jesse!

I can just see it now:

2012 passes with not even a volcano erupting.
Game published 2013
While playing the game, god comes along and says "Earth is done."
One of the players says, "No, NO, I have one more bean to place!"
God says, "Sorry but the experiment is now done."
The player says, "But you were supposed to end the world in 2012 and I STILL HAVE A BEAN TO PLACE...."
God says, "The Maya's calendar was off. They did not listen closely enough. Besides, you had the game and it should have told you to prepare..."

The scene fades and now the next expierment begins, Planet of the Apes....

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asutbone wrote:

Ironic, considering the world is supposed to end in 2012. You know, according to the Mayans.


Random piece of information of the day...

In response to the above quote, this idea is wholly misconcieved! Modern western-world spin on the whole thing. It's just the turn of an era, the end of an astronomical cycle and the beginning of a new one. I recently saw a documentary shot in Yucatan and Guatemala where today's Mayans have absolutely no concept of doom/apocalypse in relation to the end of this cycle. In fact, the wider population had no idea what the journalists were talking about. Only the more educated elders knew about ancient calendars and even they were adamant that modern western literature created the whole catastrophe scenario. whistle




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asutbone wrote:
berserkley wrote:
FFG has announced a reprint will be released in early 2013.

Ironic, considering the world is supposed to end in 2012. You know, according to the Mayans.


It's just not as funny when you have to explain it.
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The archaeologists discovered some related Mayan glyphs on a nearby tablet.

It was a debate about the relative merits of Mayan games vs. AztecTrash.
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rathmourne wrote:
asutbone wrote:

Ironic, considering the world is supposed to end in 2012. You know, according to the Mayans.


Random piece of information of the day...

In response to the above quote, this idea is wholly misconcieved! Modern western-world spin on the whole thing. It's just the turn of an era, the end of an astronomical cycle and the beginning of a new one. I recently saw a documentary shot in Yucatan and Guatemala where today's Mayans have absolutely no concept of doom/apocalypse in relation to the end of this cycle. In fact, the wider population had no idea what the journalists were talking about. Only the more educated elders knew about ancient calendars and even they were adamant that modern western literature created the whole catastrophe scenario. whistle


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Wow Chris, you must have some gift, that's kind of what happened. I asked my SO to confirm a spelling at one point and was met by a rant telling me I was wasting my time with such replies! Can't help but tipping you on that one!
 
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Billythehut wrote:
But what's it's BGG Rating?


5.64
Patolli

BGG lists publication date as 1350 though, which is clearly inaccurate if the board found is at least 1000 years old.
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Digren wrote:
Billythehut wrote:
But what's it's BGG Rating?


5.64
Patolli

BGG lists publication date as 1350 though, which is clearly inaccurate if the board found is at least 1000 years old.


The game listing attributes the game to the Aztecs. That's why it's 1350.
 
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Samort7 wrote:
Knew at once that it was going to be a version of Patolli. They've found a lot of board games etched into Mayan buildings in the past:

From R.C. Bell's "Board and Table Games from Many Civilizations" (pg 3)

It's believed that the game originated in Korean Nyout and was taken to North America via the Berring Straits. There it developed into the Native American game Zon Ahl before heading south in to Central America where it would become Patolli.

Interestingly enough, Nyout (the supposed origin game) was believed to have a hand in divination as well.

You can read more about its development in my geeklist I Ching and Arrows - On the Origin of Chess.


Looking at that second board, it seems that the Mayans invented Trivial Pursuit hundreds of years before the Americans did.
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Digren wrote:
Billythehut wrote:
But what's it's BGG Rating?


5.64
Patolli

BGG lists publication date as 1350 though, which is clearly inaccurate if the board found is at least 1000 years old.


All of those great pyramids, calenders, cultural artifacts, and observatories built with stone tools and they couldn't produce a board game with a higher BGG rating than 5.64??

Most disappointing.
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Macrawn wrote:
Digren wrote:
Billythehut wrote:
But what's it's BGG Rating?


5.64
Patolli

BGG lists publication date as 1350 though, which is clearly inaccurate if the board found is at least 1000 years old.


All of those great pyramids, calenders, cultural artifacts, and observatories built with stone tools and they couldn't produce a board game with a higher BGG rating than 5.64??

Most disappointing.



Don't worry, the upcoming FFG reprint will "fix" many of the perceived issues.
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berserkley wrote:
FFG has announced a reprint will be released in early 2013.


I'm confused... I swear I read a rumor on the internets that Strongpoint Games had the rights to reprint this. From the game's original designer even.
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berserkley wrote:
FFG has announced a reprint will be released in early 2013.


Hands off, that's Mayan, bitch!
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Nikoms wrote:
Hmm, so it's either a Mayan Ouji board or Mayan poker table.


No, it's a Mayan Ouji board AND a Mayan Poker Table.

Just like the Spanish poker deck is, in fact, a tarot deck without the major arcana.

Also, and I could be wrong on this one, but I seem to remember reading at some point that the Norse played gambling games using the same rune stones that they'd use for divination.

 
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The archaeologists discovered some related Mayan glyphs on a nearby tablet.

It was a debate about the relative merits of Mayan games vs. AztecTrash.


I raise my thumb at you, sir.

The Aztecs invented the original game of chance, the coin toss. Heads you lose! It was a short game, with a lot of sore losers, but nobody ever demanded a rematch.
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