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...I gather is not actually much of a question at all in these parts. All the pro's/grogs/masters seem to sleeve their cards, from what I can see.

I've never done so, but it's starting to look like a good idea to me. I have three questions:

1) Is there a superior style (or brand) of card sleeve that you all recommend?

2) Does sleeving not make shuffling more difficult?

3) How much thicker is a national deck after sleeving the cards?

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I like the UltraPro deck protectors. Price is reasonable and they are very sturdy. A bit more difficult to shuffle but you get used to it. The thickness increases by at least 50%. But fully sleeved, one CC nationality fits perfectly into an UltraPro deck box which are great for storage.
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FWIW, I've got 250+ plays and I don't sleeve my cards, cut my counters, or keep my CC stuff in a hermetically sealed fireproof safe either. laugh
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Malacandra wrote:
FWIW, I've got 250+ plays and I don't sleeve my cards, cut my counters, or keep my CC stuff in a hermetically sealed fireproof safe either. laugh


We'll see who's laughing at 500 plays.

I have my cards in penny sleeves--not particularly awesome, but they do help a little. I also have the whole series of cards in a single cardboard deck box. I'm not sure I'd highly recommend either approach.
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Sleeved!
 
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Malacandra wrote:
FWIW, I've got 250+ plays and I don't sleeve my cards, cut my counters, or keep my CC stuff in a hermetically sealed fireproof safe either. laugh


Sleeves or naked? Clipped or au naturel? To play or adore in shrinkwrap on the shelf?

Right there is 10% of our discussion topics. *sigh*
 
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I am of the opinion that you should sleeve them if you want to be playing your game years from now. The cards are the heart of the game, and the most handled part. They will wear down, especially the ones that were not printed in 2008 (the Europe reprint and the Pacific cards). The 2008 cards are made of much sturdier stock than the 1st edition Europe and Med. cards. Even the new Resistance cards are of the thinner variety, which I did not like. But, some folks enjoy the thinner stock better. With those cards, I would definitely sleeve them, as they bend very easily. I use Mayday Premium sleeves, green label. They work great.
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I use Mayday sleeves because they design the sleeves for the various specific card sizes that games have - you just have to get the correct type for the cards you have.

I used to use the Ultras but I found that having a 3-4mm sleeve border around the card caused the cards to not sit neatly / room for cards to be crooked in the sleeve and looks kind of sloppy. Plus the Maydays being thinner make it feel like there is nothing on the cards at all for handling and dealing and they still fit in to the Ultra Storage boxes (actually fit better really)
 
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I ended up sleeving my CC cards - not so much to protect them (I see the worn cards in my Up Front! game as a badge of honor) but because the Europe cards are thicker than the others, and I wanted to beef the thinner cards up a little because I thought they'd wear faster. Then I had to sleeve the Europe cards too because otherwise things were out of balance.

I don't have OCD. I swear.

I used Dragon Shield sleeves on mine because that's what the new FLGS in town carried. They're great.

And actually, the sleeves make shuffling those thicker Europe cards easier, believe it or not. The sealed edges slide between each other and you can just wiggle the deck halves together.

I also use plexi on the board and battle display, I keep all of the scenario cards in page protectors in a binder, and I'm about to get that killer 3mm trimmer mentioned in a wargames thread so I can re-trim my counters. But all that's part of the fun. Right? Right?
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No need to sleeve them. Replacement decks are only $5. I have over 350 plays with my unsleeved German deck, and it is looking a mite abraded, but nothing which would "mark" one card against the other.

Sleeving makes them really hard to riffle-shuffle, and I do that all the time.
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chicklewis wrote:
No need to sleeve them. Replacement decks are only $5. I have over 350 plays with my unsleeved German deck, and it is looking a mite abraded, but nothing which would "mark" one card against the other.

Sleeving makes them really hard to riffle-shuffle, and I do that all the time.


Except the Mediterranian replacements are currently out of stock with no scheduled reprint date.

So they may or may not be available if and when the time comes that you want to replace them.

My cards are sleeved in Almost-a-Pennies from Mayday and stored in Really Useful Boxes by nationality.

It's not like you shuffle these anywhere near the rate that you do any of the DBGs.
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boddekker wrote:
And actually, the sleeves make shuffling those thicker Europe cards easier, believe it or not. The sealed edges slide between each other and you can just wiggle the deck halves together.


The sleeves do help shuffling. It's another perk on top of having the cards protected from wear and tear.
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chicklewis wrote:
...it is looking a mite abraded,

There you go, making me look up words again.
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Chad Jensen wrote:
chicklewis wrote:
...it is looking a mite abraded,

There you go, making me look up words again.


Duh. "twisted together in French fashion."
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JTQuest said: "Except the Mediterranian replacements are currently out of stock with no scheduled reprint date."

Well, if you believe you will eventually have over 350 plays on the Italian, Brit, or French decks, you must play a LOT more than I do.

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chicklewis wrote:
JTQuest said: "Except the Mediterranian replacements are currently out of stock with no scheduled reprint date."

Well, if you believe you will eventually have over 350 plays on the Italian, Brit, or French decks, you must play a LOT more than I do.



Well, I can see 350+ plays for the Minor Ally deck, just trying to get *anything* to work laugh
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Sadly by the time I get 350 plays logged, humanity will probably have developed matter replication technology and making new decks won't be a problem in any case.
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chicklewis wrote:
JTQuest said: "Except the Mediterranian replacements are currently out of stock with no scheduled reprint date."

Well, if you believe you will eventually have over 350 plays on the Italian, Brit, or French decks, you must play a LOT more than I do.



OK, I admit 350 plays in my lifetime is unlikely. Maybe if you include my kids/grandkids as my CC heirloom collection is passed down from generation to generation.

Sleeving does reduce my anxiety level during play, allowing me to ignore my opponent manhandling their cards. I get to relax and figure out how I'm going to lose yet another scenario.
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The maps will probably rip along their fold lines long before the cards wear out. In which case you'll be buying a new copy of the game replete with new cards.

If I play a game so much that I destroy it, then I think it's a game I love enough to spend another $60-70 replacing.

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HarlemMimeSchool wrote:
The maps will probably rip along their fold lines long before the cards wear out. In which case you'll be buying a new copy of the game replete with new cards.

If I play a game so much that I destroy it, then I think it's a game I love enough to spend another $60-70 replacing.



You can tape a map, but if you bend or deface one card you are screwed. Especially if the game ever goes out of print.
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I have all my cards sleeved and keep my maps unfolded in a folder I made with poster boards. On top of that, I put plexiglass on the maps to keep them safe. As my opponents tend to aggressively shuffle, I require them to mix their cards in one of the box covers instead. It has proven to be acceptable to everyone and there have been no complaints. It takes far less to trash cards than 350 games (anyone play poker?). I like my cards to remain "unmarked" by rough handling.
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mcszarka wrote:
You can tape a map, but if you bend or deface one card you are screwed. Especially if the game ever goes out of print.

If I deface a card and I can't replace it, then I can sleeve the cards (using sleeves with opaque backs), hypothetical problem solved. And meanwhile I can enjoy the game without screwing with sleeved cards for most if not all of the game's lifetime.
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One problem I find with the sleeves is that they make the cards slippery, which results in dropped cards and stacks falling over.

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muaddib7 wrote:
One problem I find with the sleeves is that they make the cards slippery, which results in dropped cards and stacks falling over.

Bob D.


That is only at first, shuffle them a few times and make sure you touch them all - the oils from your hands will bond to the sleeve and eliminate the slippery effect.

 
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I was glad I had sleeved my cards when my opponent accidentally urinated on them.
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