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Subject: [Lookout asks, Fans answer] Question 1: The major Improvement board rss

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Hanno Girke
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As we're on a neverending quest to improve the game, I will give you a short poll from time to time.
Today, it is a very simple question: Do you use the extra board to place the Major Improvement cards on?
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Do you use the Major Improvement board; would you miss it?
  Your Answer   Vote Percent Vote Count
Yes, and I would miss it if there would be non in the future.
58.6% 140
Yes, but just out of habit, I don't really need it.
30.5% 73
No, I place the Major Improvements somewhere else.
9.6% 23
No, but I use the Scoring halp on the back side and I would miss it.
1.3% 3
No, but I use the Scoring help on the back side, though I won't miss it.
0.0% 0
Voters 239
This poll is now closed.   239 answers
Poll created by Hanno
Closes: Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:00 am
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Rich P
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You have to put them somewhere - might as well be on the board designed for the purpose. Although, by now everyone knows the Major Improvements inside out so we could just as easily leave them in the box.
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KC Skedzielewski
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We usually just have them as a stack that can be passed around so you can read the various options available to you on your turn.
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Richard Ham
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Because of our older small table, we had to be as space sensitive as possible, so we just put them in a grid in the middle of the table:
 
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David Larkin
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There is a scoring help on the reverse side!
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Mark Taylor
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Genuine question: By what rationale could removing the major improvement board from the game improve anything?

Even if it does turn out that a minority of players prefer to use this board, removing it from the box essentially does nothing to improve the experience of those players who are unkeen on it.

I suppose it makes the box slightly lighter, but I can think of little else.

If you are considering a cost-saving measure, which is the only rationale I can personally see for contemplating the removal of this board, then it would show more respect to admit that this is the primary goal.
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Derry Salewski
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I would appreciate the room in the box. That board is pretty much useless. I have never used it.

Though I am trusting that whatever money is saved goes somewhere useful.
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Jim Cobb
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We only use that board when we're playing "Farmers of the Moor". I bet lots of people do. Maybe you should add that as an option on your poll.
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Geoff Burkman
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The Ugoi only use it when we play "FotM" since there are two tiers of Majors. Admittedly, even that isn't a stone-cold necessity, since it wouldn't be all that difficult to figure out what's available at any given time. Otherwise, in base game play, we just set the pile of Majors somewhere conveniently near the main boards. The MI board is, technically, chrome.
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Hanno Girke
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Tom Violence wrote:
Genuine question: By what rationale could removing the major improvement board from the game improve anything?

Even if it does turn out that a minority of players prefer to use this board, removing it from the box essentially does nothing to improve the experience of those players who are unkeen on it.

I suppose it makes the box slightly lighter, but I can think of little else.

If you are considering a cost-saving measure, which is the only rationale I can personally see for contemplating the removal of this board, then it would show more respect to admit that this is the primary goal.


Right now, we think about several options. And of course you're right: if we add chrome somewhere, we need to remove chrome somewhere else.
And from my experience with Ora&labora, I figure that - for example - using thinner card stock for player boards would not be as much appreciated. ninja
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Benjamin Wells Kerenza
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Jim Cobb wrote:

We only use that board when we're playing "Farmers of the Moor". I bet lots of people do. Maybe you should add that as an option on your poll.


Agreed I would find it harder to follow in FotM than the base game, although I use the board when playing with other people as they don't know the improvements as well as I do.
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Trevor Schadt
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bjwells wrote:
Agreed I would find it harder to follow in FotM than the base game, although I use the board when playing with other people as they don't know the improvements as well as I do.
I had originally answered "I use it, but don't need it and wouldn't miss it," but went back and changed it after reading Ben's comment -- it reminded me of something very important, namely, that established players don't need the board, but new players are far more likely to find it extremely helpful. I tend to teach this game to a number of new players, and having as many aids as possible is an extremely good idea.

My vote is now for "I use it, and would miss it if it were gone."
 
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Tom Violence wrote:
Genuine question: By what rationale could removing the major improvement board from the game improve anything?

Even if it does turn out that a minority of players prefer to use this board, removing it from the box essentially does nothing to improve the experience of those players who are unkeen on it.

I suppose it makes the box slightly lighter, but I can think of little else.

If you are considering a cost-saving measure, which is the only rationale I can personally see for contemplating the removal of this board, then it would show more respect to admit that this is the primary goal.

Think outside the box...

Consider an expansion that replaces some or all of the Major Improvements. The old board would be obsolete with this expansion and the designer/publisher might want to know whether or not players would desire a replacement for use with the expansion -- or if they even use the original at all.

For the record, we use it, but we're still n00bs. Once we're more familiar with all the Major Improvements, we probably wouldn't need it... but we'd probably still use it out of habit.
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Tor Sverre Lund
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I wouldn't miss it, but it does serve a purpose, as it's easy to see which Major is taken and not.
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Richard Shay
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I'm with Tor on this. Especially the Fireplaces and Cooking Hearths have to be tracked as you count your clay over and over to see what you can get.
 
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I am sooooo glad I have my copy of Agricola and Le Havre, after ora et labora I got really suspicious about the path Lookout is heading.

Hope it is indeed just thinking about an expansion with different majors and not the sort of improvement in playability we saw in O&L.

I am holding judgement until I see the new Ora et Labora print run and Goa.
 
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I use the board, but also made player aids since not everyone is within easy reach/view of the board.
 
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tkzubaran wrote:
I am sooooo glad I have my copy of Agricola and Le Havre, after ora et labora I got really suspicious about the path Lookout is heading.

Hope it is indeed just thinking about an expansion with different majors and not the sort of improvement in playability we saw in O&L.

I am holding judgement until I see the new Ora et Labora print run and Goa.


Clearly the game publishing company is acting very suspiciously in an economy that's tanked, with oil prices (that must be used somewhere in the manufacturing/transporting process?) soaring.

I'm sure they're just trying to buy nicer cars.
 
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I use it because it forces us to put the cards in the same spot each time. As such, I can just look at the board and instantly know whether a certain card is purchased or not, and I don't have to hover over the table and try to figure it out.
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