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See, it's not that big a deal. I predict similar treatments in Family Circus before too long.
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I predict similar treatments in Family Circus before too long.


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Clever.. but not the original text.
 
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Clever.. but not the original text.


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Dave wrote:
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Clever.. but not the original text.




This one is clearly legit.
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Regarding the original doonesbury, it would be similar to requiring a prostate exam with a 10" dildo if you wanted to get a vasectomy. Just to show you where the prostate was.

I wasn't aware it required a wand- I thought it was the belly ultrasound which would be a lot less invasive tho still invasive.

I was going to say it was an attempt by D to associate it with rape when it wasn't but then I recalled that using a beer bottle or other foreign object is considered rape or assault.

OTH, there is that key element of "choice". "if you want to get an abortion then you must agree to this".

Meh.

 
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maxo-texas wrote:
I wasn't aware it required a wand- I thought it was the belly ultrasound which would be a lot less invasive tho still invasive.


If is is very early, an external ultrasound won't be able to see it.
 
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maxo-texas wrote:
Regarding the original doonesbury, it would be similar to requiring a prostate exam with a 10" dildo if you wanted to get a vasectomy. Just to show you where the prostate was.

I wasn't aware it required a wand- I thought it was the belly ultrasound which would be a lot less invasive tho still invasive.

I was going to say it was an attempt by D to associate it with rape when it wasn't but then I recalled that using a beer bottle or other foreign object is considered rape or assault.

OTH, there is that key element of "choice". "if you want to get an abortion then you must agree to this".

Meh.



I'm not sure exactly where "if you want me to pay for you meds you need to have sex with me" sits on the "kind of rape-ish behavior" scale but can't imagine it's looked on too favorably even with the choice component.
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maxo-texas wrote:
Regarding the original doonesbury, it would be similar to requiring a prostate exam with a 10" dildo if you wanted to get a vasectomy. Just to show you where the prostate was.

I wasn't aware it required a wand- I thought it was the belly ultrasound which would be a lot less invasive tho still invasive.

I was going to say it was an attempt by D to associate it with rape when it wasn't but then I recalled that using a beer bottle or other foreign object is considered rape or assault.

OTH, there is that key element of "choice". "if you want to get an abortion then you must agree to this".

Meh.



I'm not sure exactly where "if you want me to pay for you meds you need to have sex with me" sits on the "kind of rape-ish behavior" scale but can't imagine it's looked on too favorably even with the choice component.


I agree but it's one of those Blue Pill / Red Pill kind of "choices".

 
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I wonder why we didn't see any whining about trigger warnings when these Doonesbury strips were made. No feminist bloggers whining about how they just don't find rape funny. I haven't seen a single demand for an apology.
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BagelManB wrote:
I wonder why we didn't see any whining about trigger warnings when these Doonesbury strips were made. No feminist bloggers whining about how they just don't find rape funny. I haven't seen a single demand for an apology.


Anyone would think context is important in comedy.
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BagelManB wrote:
I wonder why we didn't see any whining about trigger warnings when these Doonesbury strips were made. No feminist bloggers whining about how they just don't find rape funny. I haven't seen a single demand for an apology.


Anyone would think context is important in comedy.


would have thought being funny would be too.
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BagelManB wrote:
I wonder why we didn't see any whining about trigger warnings when these Doonesbury strips were made. No feminist bloggers whining about how they just don't find rape funny. I haven't seen a single demand for an apology.


Because it's not a joke about rape being funny. It's a cartoon pointing out what the cartoonist thinks is a horrible step taken by the government.
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BagelManB wrote:
I wonder why we didn't see any whining about trigger warnings when these Doonesbury strips were made. No feminist bloggers whining about how they just don't find rape funny. I haven't seen a single demand for an apology.


Aren't there a ton of articles about why this series got pulled from circulation?
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This isn't a joke about rape it's advancing a political point. The joke is the hypocrisy of the GOP preforming intimate procedures, on women who don't want them, based on an ethical claim.

Lets cross index this against Sickipedia... on second thoughts lets not.
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Chad_Ellis wrote:
Because it's not a joke about rape being funny. It's a cartoon pointing out what the cartoonist thinks is a horrible step taken by the government.


Doesn't matter.

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garygarison wrote:
Chad_Ellis wrote:
Because it's not a joke about rape being funny. It's a cartoon pointing out what the cartoonist thinks is a horrible step taken by the government.


Doesn't matter.


Did you not read the bit about it not being a joke about rape being funny?
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This isn't a joke about rape it's advancing a political point.

And announcing that you totally got raped in Halo by your buddy, when actually all you did was get really shot to death, isn't about rape either. And yet that usage is also condemned by the "rape is never funny" movement.
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garygarison wrote:
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This isn't a joke about rape it's advancing a political point.

And announcing that you totally got raped in Halo by your buddy, when actually all you did was get really shot to death, isn't about rape either. And yet that usage is also condemned by the "rape is never funny" movement.


That's no where near as clear.

The joke in the above cartoons is obviously aimed at the absurdity of the new law.

Using rape in the context of someone shooting you to death in a game, firstly, isn't even a joke at all. It's slang, which is connected to being funny, but really the same thing. 'I got raped in that game' isn't a joke.

What it is doing is using the word rape to mean something bad happened. Which, considering how minor the bad thing happening to you was, can easily be considered to be making light of rape.

Even if you don't buy this argument, they aren't directly comparable circumstances.
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garygarison wrote:
Chad_Ellis wrote:
Because it's not a joke about rape being funny. It's a cartoon pointing out what the cartoonist thinks is a horrible step taken by the government.


Doesn't matter.


Beg to differ. This cartoon is making a statement that the law is akin to rape -- so a complaint that rape is never funny is no more on-point than it would be to an editorial about law or as a complaint about Against Our Will being published.
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This isn't a joke about rape it's advancing a political point.

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And announcing that you totally got raped in Halo by your buddy, when actually all you did was get really shot to death, isn't about rape either. And yet that usage is also condemned by the "rape is never funny" movement.


Hang on I think we are failing to take into account context here.

Many feminists and other right minded people would argue that 'rape' is so serious that it must not be used flippantly.

In my example it is not being used flippantly, it is correctly identifying the violating behavior of the state on the reproductive organs of women, with the political end of stopping such vile actives.

In your example it is some kids flippantly using the term for crude comedic effect.

These are not the same. To stop rape or activities that mirror the violation you need to use the term.

While I don't think rape is funny - I do think that people cope/discuss with horrible events through comedy so we need to be careful not to fetishise rape in a way that is reductive to overcoming it.
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monkeyhandz wrote:
Many feminists and other right minded people would argue that 'rape' is so serious that it must not be used flippantly.

Yes, this is the crux of the issue.

During the Penny Arcade "Dickwolves" debacle, one of the early key voices in the debate was the blogger at feminist blog Shakesville. The stated objections:

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But let us pretend for a moment that rape jokes do not convey and sustain the rape culture. That still leaves us with the other criticism on which critics' objections are based: That rape jokes trigger (some) survivors of sexual violence...

Someone who is triggered may experience anything from a brief moment of dizziness, to a shortness of breath and a racing pulse, to a full-blown panic attack...

I will never understand why anyone wants to be the total jerk who evokes someone's memories of being assaulted by blindsiding hir with a rape joke (or image, or metaphor, or whatever), in the guise of "humor." No "joke" is worth triggering someone. Not if you understand what triggering someone really means..."

Can one of the fighters against rape culture care to explain how the Doonesbury strip and its use of rape as a punchline is immune to the charges of insensitive triggering as described above?
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garygarison wrote:
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But let us pretend for a moment that rape jokes do not convey and sustain the rape culture. That still leaves us with the other criticism on which critics' objections are based: That rape jokes trigger (some) survivors of sexual violence...

Someone who is triggered may experience anything from a brief moment of dizziness, to a shortness of breath and a racing pulse, to a full-blown panic attack...

I will never understand why anyone wants to be the total jerk who evokes someone's memories of being assaulted by blindsiding hir with a rape joke (or image, or metaphor, or whatever), in the guise of "humor." No "joke" is worth triggering someone. Not if you understand what triggering someone really means..."

Can one of the fighters against rape culture care to explain how the Doonesbury strip and its use of rape as a punchline is immune to the charges of insensitive triggering as described above?


It isn't, not completely. I don't really agree with the blogger that the dickwolves comic can be criticised in this way, at least no more than most other mention of rape in some form.

On the other hand the rape images evoked by the dickwolves comics are clearly different from the ones involved in the above comic. There's certainly a difference of scale.
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