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Viktor Karlsson Mantel
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Hello

Wich games is best to introduce for people that is like "RISK is the best game ever, I love Monopoly etc... (people not really know much about boardgames.

Prefer games that is as much language independend as possible.


Thank you
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Andy Stout
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Sounds like they've already got a gateway game: RISK!

Seriously!

I'm not even trying to be snarky there: what does the question mean? If they like board games already, which it sounds like they do, then you don't need to convince them to like board games via some BGG-approved "gateway game", just teach them some game you like and see if they like it too. Preferably the most awesome game you have. Based on your profile it looks like Eclipse is one of your favorite games: go for that one! It's not like they'll think it's too lengthy, if they like Risk and Monopoly. And it's even a little blend of those two games, some economics mixed with some warmaking.
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Chris Miller
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Try Small World.
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Steve Kennedy

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I sort of agree with Andy, but I think I get what you are asking.

About a year ago our nephew stayed with us for a week. He'd never played Risk and I pulled out my 1980s copy from high school. He had to play Monopoly too. I introduced him to an old game called "Stock Ticker" which he too got a bit interested in.

But he really got excited about Carcasonne. And soon it was off to our local game store so that he could buy his own copy and a couple of expansions for his birthday. He bought the "Festival" version and the phantoms, and soon he was asking for the other expansions from the series. meeple

We introduced him to Settlers as well. It seems like most of the folks we know that have played Settlers and can play with groups latch onto that game. Those couples who like to play board games together tend to prefer Carcassonne. Pandemic also is good to play as well since you can work together. (My guess is that the Flash Point Fire Rescue game would be equally interesting for this cooperative play.)

TransAmerica, Ticket to Ride, and Stone Age are also pretty good options. The first two work well with multi-age gamers and parents tend to see the value in not having to play Monopoly again!

 
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Jed Litwiller
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+1 for Carcassonne
 
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Dust

If you are specifically looking for a better world conquest game, Dust is great.

If you are asking more of what's the next step past family games / toy aisle, then I'd say pick a topic they are interested in and go with the best game on that topic that is still simple enough for them to digest.
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I was thinking about Dominion.
 
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I've been through the same decision process. I wanted games that appealed to Risk fans and were language independent, hre's what I got:

In my experience, definitely Cyclades. I have introduced it to several Risk fans, everyone of them were blown away. The game really is fantastic. Not as heavy on conflict on the board but totally makes up for it with the bidding phase which can be very intense and interactive. Visually appealing and completely language independent too, which made this a no brainer for me.

Chaos in the Old World is working wonders for us too. Lots of die rolling but also very deep with great decisions. A step forward in complexity relatively to Cyclades, but not very daunting. It has some english text, but very little, a small reference sheet per player and one player who knows engish to read the Old World Event cards does the trick.

Dust is a good choice if you don't want to stray too far away from Risk, but I played it only once and I like the other two I mentioned better.
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Geert Vinaskov
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For many newbies, playing something on a "board" is important. A board being pieces, and moving things, and tokens. I think card games are less convincing for fans of classic games like Risk.

That being said:

I'd go for Carcassonne or Small World.
 
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Jaomir Jagr
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Warlords of Europe has gone over well with a lot of my Risk loving friends, they loved the dice rolling and killing things but also enjoy that there is more strategy involved than Risk.
 
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Our group was just commenting that Antike would be a good gateway for Risk fans.
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CHRIS OHHHH
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I AM NOW BECOMING LESS OF A novice but most of my group are newbies. I usually start with carcasonne, small world, 7 wonders, or power grid. so you have been recomended most of these but yeah POWER GRID is a good one ppl i play with say its kinda monopolyish. good luck
 
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In addition to what I said up above, I also vote *against* the lameness of 7 Wonders. Just because they won't *hate* the game doesn't mean that it'll convert them to hobby games. I'd much rather play Monopoly or Risk than 7 Wonders, even with gamers.

Your goal is to get them excited about a game, even at the risk of it flopping, rather than to get them not to dislike a game.
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dragonstout wrote:
In addition to what I said up above, I also vote *against* the lameness of 7 Wonders. Just because they won't *hate* the game doesn't mean that it'll convert them to hobby games. I'd much rather play Monopoly or Risk than 7 Wonders, even with gamers.

Your goal is to get them excited about a game, even at the risk of it flopping, rather than to get them not to dislike a game.


I would shy away from 7 wonders as well, not because its lame, but because it has a ton of symbols for the new gamer to grasp. It's a hard one to get people excited about because half way through your explanation the symbols, they'll want to play Risk.

I've had the best luck with Catan. It has dice, a board, and turns. The mechanics are similar enough to what people know that they won't give up on the rules explanation, but it's Euro enough to get them thinking strategies.
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+1 Small World

It was mine first game - the one that really brought me into a hobby.
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Dust

but Small World is good also.
Cyclades is also worth a look but is not very risk-like.
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I think El Grande often does the trick with people who like risk since it has a lot of that pushing "guys" around and it is kind of "wargameish" with direct interaction between players.

Also +1 for Dust
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Nate Owens
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I would agree with Andy regarding Risk. If they already like it you might try some of the variant versions like Risk 2210 or Risk Legacy.

If you want them to try out some games that aren't Risk, but will give some of the same fun, I would definitely give another recommendation for Small World. It has enough room to do a little bit of alliance stuff, and it's very simple to learn and enjoy. I also really like Nexus Ops, although it's just a little longer and more complex.
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+1 Nexus Ops


+10 Cyclades It's just a beautiful, relatively easy to grasp game
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For anything risk-like:
- Nexus Ops (a.k.a. the Risk done right, I like the old edition better but ymmv)
- Risk Legacy. Why not. Said to be the best version out there.
- Dust similar, improved. Compared to the ones above, it lasts a bit longer.

Conflict, but not Risk like:
- Chaos in the Old World - for 4 exactly players, asymmetrical powers and area control. For 5 players exactly, Horned rat expansion as well. Lot's of theme.
- Small World - note it's very simple, but thinky. Not so much talking.
- Cyclades is an auction game crossed with Risk. If you're going to play it often it gets better (you have to know where people are going for the win, to stop them as this is when the game gets better for me).
- Cosmic Encounter 4-5 players negotiation game. It is about attacking, but even more so about negotiation and bluffing. It's chaotic and fun with the right crowd.

Monopoly substitutes:
If you want Risk + Economy: Imperial and Imperial 2030, they might be too complex for you right away though.
Lords of Vegas - Betting and buying Casinos.

also, watch this:

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The good news is you found someone who is saying "I enjoyed the experience I had the last time I played a board game"

The bad news is you have someone who hasn't played a video game since pac-man and you're trying to have a conversation with them about COD3 (or whatever)

I think the important thing is to say that it's great that they enjoyed Risk, and that since there are over 800 new games a year there are so many to choose from that you need some more information. What did they like about risk?

One likely answer is that they simply enjoyed being a kid. Everyone has fond memories of childhood (I hope...) and memories of a sleepover with a game of Risk are cherished.

Did they like to crush their enemies, see them driven before them and hear the lamentations of their enemies? Maybe they should try Heroscape.

Maybe they liked the area control elements? Try Small World or el Grande.

Asking the right question will help get to the right answer
 
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Hellas---imagine if Risk was quicker and better and you got to create your map as you explore the Mediterranean Sea.
Memoir '44---easy choice here
Pandemic---couldn't be more different than Risk, but I remember the first time my saw the board, she said it reminded her of Risk
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If reading some text is allowed:
Dominion

Otherwise:
Thurn and Taxis
Kingdom Builder
Carcassonne
Stone Age for something meatier.
 
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