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Subject: No Su-Ling during Mystic Barrier ? rss

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We played our first full game of White Moon yesterday.

Can't say it will hit the table very often, seemed to go twice as slow as Ghost Stories due to all the extra things you need to consider.

We were a bit disappointed by some of the absences in the rules, where we had to house-rule things. I've managed to find many answers in the forum here, but ...

In the text for exorcising during Mystic Barrier phase it says:

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The abilities and Tao tokens of the Taoists can not
be used for those rolls. The Circle of Prayer and the mantra
are taken into account.

What about Su-Ling? The players wanted to place her on a ghost that was shielded against dice, to dispel that protection, so that the ghost could be killed by dice rolls during the Mystic Barrier phase.

The text doesn't mention her, so we thought it was alright, but unfortunately we noticed this small diagramme next to the back page flow chart:


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It's very tiny and obscured, but it looks like the representation of Su-Ling under the red cross, which presumably means "these things you're not allowed". It also appears to show the sword and claws artifacts are not allowed, even though they haven't been mentioned either.

It seems rather bad that some extra rules are left to this tiny chart.

Unless it's a rule left over from an older version of the rules and they fixed the text, but missed this?

The end of the Mystic Barrier also kicks Su-Ling off the board. Is this somehow related?
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Rainbow Snake wrote:

What about Su-Ling? The players wanted to place her on a ghost that was shielded against dice, to dispel that protection, so that the ghost could be killed by dice rolls during the Mystic Barrier phase.


The rules say you place or move Su Ling when a villager is killed, a Curse die is rolled, a Village tile is haunted. Since nothing of this is taking place during the Mystic Barrier phase, you can't move Su Ling just to block a wraith power during the Mystic Barrier phase.

Now comes the question of timing. The moving of Su Ling is done at the end of the Yang phase and the Mystic barrier phase takes place after the Yang phase. So after the Yang phase of the active Taoist, you can first move Su Ling and put a Moon Cristal (and you choose where to place Su Ling, maybe in front of a wraith blocking the dices), then you have a Mystic Barrier phase if all Moon Cristal are in place (and then Su Ling will be active, since she disappears at the end of the Mystic Barrier phase).


But you're right on one important point: the rules are badly organised wow

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To clarify, we had 3 Moon Crystals in place, then Something Bad (tm) happened on a player's turn so she was able to place Su-Ling next to the empty pedestal to initiate the Mystic Barrier ... but being the corner, she had the choice of two ghosts to block.

Technically that is just the backstory ... for all it matters Su-Ling might have been blocking that ghost for ages when the Mystic Barrier came into play.

styren wrote:
Now comes the question of timing. The moving of Su Ling is done at the end of the Yang phase and the Mystic barrier phase takes place after the Yang phase. So after the Yang phase of the active Taoist, you can first move Su Ling and put a Moon Cristal (and you choose where to place Su Ling, maybe in front of a wraith blocking the dices), then you have a Mystic Barrier phase if all Moon Cristal are in place (and then Su Ling will be active, since she disappears at the end of the Mystic Barrier phase).

Yes, that's exactly our situation. So how do you interpret the presence of Su-Ling in the diagramme I included?
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Good question. Nothing's said about Su Ling in the text about the Msytic Barrier so I interpreted it has Su Ling is still active during the Mystic Barrier.
But then, there is this diagramm on the last page of the rules clearly forbidding the use of Su Ling during this phase. So you can't use her power to kill a phantom imune to dices during a Mystic Barrier phase. You just have the Moon Cristals, the Circle of prayer and the mantra to reach him.
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If you start the barrier, you remove Su Ling from the board and the clockwise next player choose one of the both options. Why Su Ling is forbidden in the grafic should be a mistake, don't know, but Su Ling haven't any effect to kill a ghost or reduce its strenght. Even the possibility to negate the middle symbol isn't important in the barrier phase, because no such effect will be activated within the barrier phase.

The rule say at the end of the barrier remove all crystals, Su Ling and although the Su Ling playeraid/Placeholder.

In the Mystic Barrier are only these effects active, who affects the ghosts passively. circle of pray and mantra (scroll of weakening). The Tao-Tokens of the barrier are the four moon crystals.
 
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Hello Masa kari,

I'm not sure why you instruct the removal of Su Ling at the start of the Mystic Barrier, when you quote the rules saying it should be done at the end of the Mystic Barrier?

It's removed at the same time as the left over moon crystals. They are used during the Mystic Barrier. Is that perhaps why Su Ling is also in place and then removed?

Masakari wrote:
but Su Ling haven't any effect to kill a ghost or reduce its strenght. Even the possibility to negate the middle symbol isn't important in the barrier phase, because no such effect will be activated within the barrier phase.

Are you familiar with the "shielded" ghosts who cannot be attacked by dice?
This ability resides on the "centre stone" which Su Ling affects. The precise symbol is a shield in one version of the game, but a dice with a cross in another version:



This was what pre-empted the discussion and is mentioned above in the first post.
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Hello Rainbow Snake,

i have readed the rulebook (german and american) and you are right: "after all 4 taoists have choosen one of the two options (save a villager or fight the ghosts) you remove the leftover moon crystals and su ling and the player aid. The Mystic barrier is over and the next player start his turn.

So Su Ling can help to disable the middle effect "token only" to save a moon crystal for next taoist.

So the grafic (Su Ling forbidden/disabled) must be a mistake.
 
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