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Michael Hastik
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I would be interested to know if the title alludes to the
Matthew Arnold poem Dover Beach:

And we are here as on a darkling plain
Swept with confused alarms of struggle and flight,
Where ignorant armies clash by night.

Of course this may have been answered somewhere but, if so, I did not come across it.
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It comes from Brian Train the designer, who drew it from a nonsense poem. Volko also notes a reference in a Kipling poem... Like an good quote, it has a lot of resonance. Appreciate the addition of the Matthew Arnold work.

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Michael Hastik
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Thank you for the prompt reply and for pointing me towards the relevant articles, complete with links, too.
Funny how with certain lines one can tell they might be from some poem.
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Brian Train
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Thanks for pulling out out poetry references Jeff!

Michael, I did think of the Matthew Arnold poem, but Ignorant Armies: Iran-Iraq War got there first. I still like the Edward Lear reference better.

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The Kipling poem has the benefit of being about earlier wars in Afghanistan. It's the first thing I thought of when I saw the game title.
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Yes.
Good to know.
 
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Michael Hastik
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ltmurnau wrote:


Michael, I did think of the Matthew Arnold poem, but Ignorant Armies: Iran-Iraq War got there first. I still like the Edward Lear reference better.

Brian


Thanks for chiming in. Especially as, in hindsight, a little more research on my part might have had me a) look at a thread called "Origin of the name of the game?" before posing my question and b) discover the earlier Ignorant Armies game.
I can certainly see how the nonsensical nature of Lear's lines resonates with you given the nature of the conflict depicted.
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PaulWRoberts wrote:
The Kipling poem has the benefit of being about earlier wars in Afghanistan. It's the first thing I thought of when I saw the game title.


Kipling may get the place right but despite the image of that particular stanza his faith in Empire is still intact back in 1892.
The dark disillusion in Arnold's much earlier poem (ca. 1851) nevertheless strikes me as more modern and much more appropriate.
 
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Strategos Memnon wrote:
PaulWRoberts wrote:
The Kipling poem has the benefit of being about earlier wars in Afghanistan. It's the first thing I thought of when I saw the game title.


Kipling may get the place right but despite the image of that particular stanza his faith in Empire is still intact back in 1892.
The dark disillusion in Arnold's much earlier poem (ca. 1851) nevertheless strikes me as more modern and much more appropriate.


If I remember correctly, Pax Britannica used Recessional.
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