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Joshua Payne
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I take it that "no Islamist Rule" on this card must mean no IR marker anywhere on the map, and doesn't mean 'no cells in IR countries'?
 
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Yes.
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Joshua Payne
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I thought so, but it's another card with wording which could have been made less ambiguous.
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A very literal reading of the card text is best with GMT CDGs. 'Islamist Rule' refers to the markers only, they'd mention cells if they wanted to. Often best not to try and work out what the card doesn't say and just go on what it does say.

Personally I found the wording on the Labyrinth cards very concise - what other cards did you find ambiguous?
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TwoShedsJackson wrote:
A very literal reading of the card text is best with GMT CDGs.


I have learned that this is the best way to deal with their cards. Don't try to infer something that isn't there.
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I would say Volko Runhke and Chad Jensen. Not GMT as a whole.
 
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Joshua Payne
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Is there a 'literal' or 'non-literal' reading though? There are a couple of cards which do say two things at the same time, e.g. the Iran event (if a player isn't meant to do something then don't put "shift to" in the wording?). The game is great but there're a number of areas where aspects need greater clarity. Some of the clarifications would have been easy to provide (?).

The Biometrics event seems overpowered.
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JoshuaPayne wrote:
Is there a 'literal' or 'non-literal' reading though?


I would say that reading "no Islamist Rule" as "no cells in IR countries" qualifies as a non-literal reading.

JoshuaPayne wrote:
There are a couple of cards which do say two things at the same time, e.g. the Iran event (if a player isn't meant to do something then don't put "shift to" in the wording?).


What's the problem with the Iran event? It tells you clearly to ignore failures or a shift to Islamic Rule. Taking "shift to" out of that sentence leaves it nonsensical.
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Well, there is a literal reading, you just read the card and do exactly what it says. Don't infer anything not mentioned on the card.

They have a limited space on these cards for the text, about three sentences tops, so they have to be concise.

As for the Iran card, the last sentence is 'Ignore failures or shift to Islamic Rule' - so the structure indicates that everything in that sentence is to be ignored.

Doesn't leave a huge amount of room to be mis-interpreted.

Biometrics being overpowered is a completely different matter. In the hands of the Jihadist it can have next to no impact if he plays it late or last in the turn, or uses it as a 1st Plot.

It has more use in the hands of the US as it is only 1 op, but even then it is quite dependent on the board situation to be of major use.
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Joshua Payne
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It blocks all non-adjacent travel for a turn - ?
 
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JoshuaPayne wrote:
It blocks all non-adjacent travel for a turn - ?


And?

There are plenty of powerful events in the deck. The Jihadist will likely have to concentrate on recruiting, plotting, or Jihad for this turn.

 
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JoshuaPayne wrote:
It blocks all non-adjacent travel for a turn - ?


When I play the Jihadists, I rarely use non-adjacent travel anyway.
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Joshua Payne
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It may be dependent on the situation on the board - but that's true for all the events. It's a strong card.

Non-adjacent travel is a good idea. Most countries will start as Poor, and 0.5 is not bad odds IMHO.
 
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drmark64 wrote:
I would say Volko Runhke and Chad Jensen. Not GMT as a whole.

That's excellent company, thanks!
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turbothy wrote:
JoshuaPayne wrote:
Is there a 'literal' or 'non-literal' reading though?


I would say that reading "no Islamist Rule" as "no cells in IR countries" qualifies as a non-literal reading.

Actually, the OP is correct. The card can be interpreted in two ways.

The actual text says, "Play if no Islamist Rule and no Good countries have cells or plots."

The "cells or plots" could be referring to either or both "Islamist Rule and "Good" countries.

Now, I understand how it is supposed to be interpreted, but you have to admit that it could be worded better. i.e. "Play if not Good countries have cells or plots and no Islamist Rule."
 
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