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Colorcrayons

United States
Maplewood
Minnesota

Great episode. Keep up the good work.

You may be interested in the following official multiplayer rules that fixes the dog-pile scenario you described in a multiplayer atmosphere:

http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffg_content/coc/support/co...

We have played the multiplayer rules quite a bit and it works a lot better than most people give them credit for. [edit: you only need one story deck for the game and not one for each player like the multiplayer rules suggest] The added bonus is that it doesn't change the mechanics of the game in a major way so its not a bunch of extra rules that need to be memorized. It is a better two player game than a multiplayer game, thats for sure.

There are other fan based multiplayer rules on the FFG forums as well.

I agree that the timing issues can be a bit strenuous for newer players, but my gf and I played the game dozens of times before we really worried about the minutiae of these details and managed to play the game on even terms.

It is, by its nature, a deckbuilding card game that does take some time to invest in it to get the most out of it.

Edited Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:32 pm
Posted Mon Nov 29, 2010 8:30 pm
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Nick Fash

(Duke_Rufus)

United States
West Hollywood
California

My absolute favorite game. I don't know why everyone messes around with game of thrones. Or the warhammer one.

Posted Sat Dec 4, 2010 7:03 pm
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Craig Stewart

(RevGiark)

Canada
Kitchener
Ontario

If you head over to our website, www.fbnmultimedia.com, you'll see there is a mailing list in the Gamers' Table section. If you subscribe to it, you'll get more game info, including the upcoming schedules.

Posted Thu Dec 16, 2010 5:54 pm
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Ulrich Hergl

(www_Mischraum_de)

Germany
Riemerling near Munich

nah this video is not funny. Nah it is not.

Posted Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:21 am
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Hans Hansen

(Castorp)

Lübeck
Schleswig-Holstein

Posted Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:33 pm
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christopher gabrielson

(shockmoth)

United States

Utah

Nitwits man - they should probably just stick to reviews rather than trying to be funny and failing so bad. Whats weird is they look like grown men but act like ... 14 year olds. It would be worth watching if they could just get to the reviews rather than fantasizing like they're some sort of celebrity show or something. They sat and read the instruction manual to us for two - three minutes?! not good.
We got like 60 seconds of their response to the card game which boiled down to.. i like it, i kinda like it,, the art was good.

How about: why did you like it,
what did the game do well,
where does it fail,
where does it bog down.
What innovative mechanics are introduced in it,
How long does it take,
How does it compare to its competitors.

You know..... f-ing review it!

Oh wait, here they are trying to get into it a little bit more as they score it, sorry I shoulda waited. Lets see how they do:

1.The middle dopey guy tried to talk about timing issues but his response dwindled off into some incoherent specific example that means nothing to someone who hasnt played it.

2. Glasses guy also totally vague, and un-insightful. Just keeps repeating he kinda likes it. its okay.

3.The Bald chicago cliche raises at least some point about 1 card being able to trump everything you do. So at least thats a specfic example.

Still these guys should watch some real reviews perhaps, or write out some objectives to their reviews.

LOL now they are asking for money so they can review it for us... yeah right. This all probably sounds negative but Im just trying to provide some constructive feedback. Goodluck nerds.

Posted Mon Jan 24, 2011 9:46 am
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Chris Sauder

(Makelith)

Canada
Unspecified
Unspecified

We are very short on specifics, and our reviews generally boil down to whether we liked it or not. We are as advertised, unscripted, unrehearsed, and heavily edited. Our reviews are not for everyone, but we enjoy making them, and have fun with it. If that means cracking lame jokes that nobody other than us finds funny then we'll do that. When we do a review for a game keep in mind that is one of 4-5 we did that night, It's not like we play the game just before we review it so we rely heavily on our memories.

Your comments do come off as more negative than constructive, but thanks for taking the time to respond.

Posted Tue Jan 25, 2011 2:40 am
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Robert C Branch

(LordCrom)

United States
Granada Hills
California

shockmoth wrote:

Nitwits man - they should probably just stick to reviews rather than trying to be funny and failing so bad. Whats weird is they look like grown men but act like ... 14 year olds. It would be worth watching if they could just get to the reviews rather than fantasizing like they're some sort of celebrity show or something. They sat and read the instruction manual to us for two - three minutes?! not good.
We got like 60 seconds of their response to the card game which boiled down to.. i like it, i kinda like it,, the art was good.

How about: why did you like it,
what did the game do well,
where does it fail,
where does it bog down.
What innovative mechanics are introduced in it,
How long does it take,
How does it compare to its competitors.

You know..... f-ing review it!

Oh wait, here they are trying to get into it a little bit more as they score it, sorry I shoulda waited. Lets see how they do:

1.The middle dopey guy tried to talk about timing issues but his response dwindled off into some incoherent specific example that means nothing to someone who hasnt played it.

2. Glasses guy also totally vague, and un-insightful. Just keeps repeating he kinda likes it. its okay.

3.The Bald chicago cliche raises at least some point about 1 card being able to trump everything you do. So at least thats a specfic example.

Still these guys should watch some real reviews perhaps, or write out some objectives to their reviews.

LOL now they are asking for money so they can review it for us... yeah right. This all probably sounds negative but Im just trying to provide some constructive feedback. Goodluck nerds.

Nothing of what you said was constructive feedback. You were disrespectful and your statements came off as though they were being represented by a 14 year old hiding behind the anonymity of the internet.

The hosts of The Gamers' Table are obviously long time friends who have a respect for the hobby of boardgames. They review them in their own way. I for one enjoy the way they conduct their reviews as do others on BGG.

You as an idividual control what you watch on the internet. If you don't like what you've seen, feel free to no longer watch The Gamers' Table and only watch those reviewers you enjoy and who you believe give you the information you are looking for in a review.

If you want to give constructive criticism, please do. In order to do that, compose yourself in an intelligent adult manner and explain in detail what you believe is incorrect in your eyes, and what you believe is the correct way to do it. You may be incorrect yourself, but at least your comment will be respected and possibly even considered. As it is now, your comments were taking as they were obviously intended, insults by an individual who felt like being the rear end of a donkey.

I hope the admin will observe your post and act appropriately.

Thank you for your time. Have a nice evening and please continue to enjoy BGG as we all do. As fans of the hobby who come together as a community to share in our joy of boardgames in a positive manner.

Posted Tue Jan 25, 2011 3:25 am
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Ben K.

(loopsofgoop)

United States
Eugene
Oregon

Hey there guys! Its great that you put out video reviews, and you're clearly hip to gaming. I did want to shoot you some points that I was hoping to see in this video but did not.

- It'd be nice to hear what exactly you liked about the game
- What you didn't
- Loose gameplay explanation (I stress loose here. I know that we can watch the FFG video on that, but if I didn't it would have been nice companion piece the above two points)
- You mentioned in the video that you purchased many of the expansions. Which ones did you like best? Least? What about the big box ones?
- Leave the email section to the end instead of splitting up the review. I wouldn't say I got confused, but I would say that it messed up the tempo of the video a dash.

I know that you are "unscripted" and that's cool, but it might help to organize a little better to have points you can talk on instead of chatting all over the place and losing focus on the review of the product. You can still be extemporaneous with the review using points you'd like to speak of. A little order to the chaos is fine and we wouldn't even know the difference.

I am saying all of this with all due respect. I know it takes a great deal of courage to throw your mugs all over the intertubes and have people pick it apart mercilessly. Its March right now, and for all I know you three have already addressed such things. In that case I apologize. Keep it up!

Posted Wed Mar 2, 2011 1:09 am
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Peter Cox

(petercox1001)

Bosnia & Herzegovina

Dear Christoper Gabrielson,

What a pathetic, trolling post. You come across like a 14 year old, and that's being generous.

Keep it up, guys - you're awesome!

Posted Wed May 4, 2011 12:51 am
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Gary Habbermas

(Zuthas)

United States

Kentucky

I think Shock's comments are aggressive in an nonconstructive way, but there can be some things learned from his criticism as much as we would like to ignore someone that presents their opinion with such vitriol. First, why do you think he was so frustrated? It appears he found the humor insulting... insulting? What? Well, as much as you can't help but like these guys you have to admit that they waste a lot of valuable time with some fairly nonconstructive dialogue as if the person watching the vid. has nothing better to do but listen to them goof off. I understand that they have a disclaimer that says that it is unscripted and highly edited (making it appear like a bad episode of Tin and Eric from time to time), but someone is taking their time to learn from you about the game. Your opinion carries more weight if it comes from at least a somewhat serious source. I think it shows a lack of respect for the viewer (not to mention for the game itself) to present more joke time than contemplation of the game. I think it insults the intelligence of the viewer. "They review them in their own way" is a tautology, of course they do. My question is, how much of it is a review? Look, I actually like these guys and would love to play a game with them but if I was a designer I would't want them reviewing my game. I would ask Tom Vasel or Undead Viking or somebody who takes the review process seriously. By the way these three have shown on many occasions that they are as good at doing this as anyone I have mentioned. I also applaud them for doing something different but I fear they do not accomplish the goal of actually reviewing the game, at least in a competent way, which they could. I think he responded the way he did because he feels his intelligence was insulted and his time was wasted and despite his inability to keep his feelings in check I ask the reviewer if that is what happened? I think it is and they should take that to heart. I think if we mined the best of their shows their would be some really good stuff (particularly in their Android review).
Secondly, no one is saying they should not be themselves (this is a preemptive statement). These guys are fun to watch and I really like them. They are themselves and that's great I would ask them never to change that. But this defense of doing vids. their own way or appealing to the disclaimer as "just the way thing are done around here" is the formula for every stale idea I have ever run across. I think they should focus on the review more while trying to be themselves in the process. It can be done. I hope this has not been insulting or disrespectful and I will continue to watch in the hope of learning more about the greatest hobby on earth.

Posted Sun Jun 12, 2011 11:39 am
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Chris Sauder

(Makelith)

Canada
Unspecified
Unspecified

I feel we've been getting better on the review side of things now that we're getting more comfortable, but you guys are the ultimate judges of that. This is review #9 (our 2nd taping session) and there are many earlier reviews we'd like a do-over for various reasons, but mainly for not remembering key points about the game.

Thanks for watching!

Edited Sun Jun 12, 2011 3:43 pm
Posted Sun Jun 12, 2011 3:42 pm
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Craig Stewart

(RevGiark)

Canada
Kitchener
Ontario

Makelith wrote:

I feel we've been getting better on the review side of things now that we're getting more comfortable, but you guys are the ultimate judges of that. This is review #9 (our 2nd taping session) and there are many earlier reviews we'd like a do-over for various reasons, but mainly for not remembering key points about the game.

Thanks for watching!

We mentioned Cthulhu, so the cultists promised not to feed us to a shoggoth.

Posted Sun Jun 12, 2011 11:03 pm
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Gary Habbermas

(Zuthas)

United States

Kentucky

I was thinking about that myself. I think a lot of reviewers should do that. Do you guys have anyone that does not play the games with you but would like to watch your reviews when you get close to final cut? I was thinking that that may help you in some of your communication. I do a ton of public speaking and having feedback from people, while not always helpful and sometimes disparaging, can give an unseen perspective. I would even say someone that does not even play a lot of board games but wants to help could be useful. Well, just remember to be yourselves because that is the best part of your reviews whether your being analytic or goofing off. I have to say you offer a lot on the analytic side and I would like to see more. Thanks for the vids!

Posted Mon Jun 13, 2011 1:45 am
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Craig Stewart

(RevGiark)

Canada
Kitchener
Ontario

Zuthas wrote:

I was thinking about that myself. I think a lot of reviewers should do that. Do you guys have anyone that does not play the games with you but would like to watch your reviews when you get close to final cut? I was thinking that that may help you in some of your communication. I do a ton of public speaking and having feedback from people, while not always helpful and sometimes disparaging, can give an unseen perspective. I would even say someone that does not even play a lot of board games but wants to help could be useful. Well, just remember to be yourselves because that is the best part of your reviews whether your being analytic or goofing off. I have to say you offer a lot on the analytic side and I would like to see more. Thanks for the vids!

The timeframe doesn't allow it at the moment. You may have noticed the last review went up a few days late. A back injury slowed me down and I'm still working to get everything back on schedule.

I've improved the workflow in several ways since the inception of the show, but it's still a lengthy process from start to finish.

Later episodes have a much more cohesive structure, with ideas mostly transitioning one to the next, rather than the abrupt shifts in some of the earlier episodes.

I try to keep the feeling of sitting around the table, discussing games, rather than a structured review format. We tried that in the first few and it didn't fit well at all.

Also, we get a ton of mail every time this question comes up, asking us to keep it 'our opinions, not dry game discussions'.

Thanks for the comments. We're over 54,000 views for the show so far, which is very nice to see.

Posted Mon Jun 13, 2011 3:17 am
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Gary Habbermas

(Zuthas)

United States

Kentucky

You don't have to reply to this, but I was just going to say that when ever you guys have analyzed a game I find that it has never been dry. I think that is quite a remarkable feat. I think it could be because your rapport is so smooth. Perhaps it is because you switch between each other and your opinions don't seem to be swayed too much by each other which is good. Anyway, always good to chat about games and looking forward to more vids.
Oh I almost forgot, for your entertainment:

I loved The Big Labowski!

Posted Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:48 am
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