Very difficult games to master.
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Feel free to add to this list of games. This is a list of game that are extremely difficult to master all the nuances. Sometimes it's the rules, sometimes just the extreme variability of the system. In either case it takes dedication from player to become "good".
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1. Board Game: Bridge [Average Rating:7.48 Overall Rank:489]
John Stimson
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The grandaddy of learning curves. It takes people a few years to become competitive at duplicate bridge. The game requires study as well as practice.
 
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2. Board Game: Chess [Average Rating:7.09 Overall Rank:414] [Average Rating:7.09 Unranked]
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Another game that requires study and practice. I personally think Bridge is a little more difficult because of the partnership aspects. A beginner beating a Master, never gonna happen.
 
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3. Board Game: Go [Average Rating:7.66 Overall Rank:120]
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After seeing "It's a Beautiful Mind", I decided to learn GO. WHOO BOY. I started against a computer AI and got slaughtered. Then my friend, who is an "average" player slaughtered the computer while grumbling about how "terrible" the AI was. Despite reading a few books, I fear I will never learn to be even marginal at this game.
 
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4. Board Game: Hex [Average Rating:6.77 Overall Rank:2546]
David Bush
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Radiant
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There are tons of great abstracts out there. I also tried Go and felt like I ran into a brick wall. Hex is much more approachable. I personally don't find the learning curve steep, but the mountain is very high all the same, and you could definitely spend a lifetime studying the game, especially on larger grids such as 19x19.
 
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5. Board Game: Twixt [Average Rating:6.59 Overall Rank:1534]
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This is a steeper learning curve, even though the object is very similar to Hex. There are many more tactical patterns to learn here. But that makes the view all the more rewarding. There are some great slow-paced games going on which the public can view, on Little Golem http://www.littlegolem.net/jsp/games/gamedetail.jsp?gtid=twi... and PBMserv http://www.math.lsu.edu/~wamelen/gamerz/TwixTlinks.html (look for games between khussmanns, wehrenberg, fritzd, and phenke in particular.)
 
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6. Board Game: Advanced Squad Leader [Average Rating:7.95 Overall Rank:209] [Average Rating:7.95 Unranked]
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I've never played ASL. But for those who do it looks like a life-long parade of possiblities.
 
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7. Board Game: Vietnam 1965-1975 [Average Rating:7.39 Overall Rank:1750]
Lawrence Hung
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Interesting. Obviously, people speak different tongues within different circles. In wargamer circle, games with a steep learning curve refer to games with 3 maps or above (standard 22"*34" each), 560 counters and up, a 40 pages rulebook detailing and explaining the complex sequence of play with lots of dire-roll modifiers and special conditions in the game play. Examples include Third Reich, Advanced Third Reich, Advanced Squad Leader (10 on Avalon Hill's 1 to 10 complexity scale), Europa Universalis, Vietnam 1965 to 1975, Harpoon. They are based on real-life situation and often called simulation games. On the contrary, games like GO and Chess would be classified as games with an "Easy" learning curve with an easy to follow rule set. They have become "sport" due to popularity of the games. They are highly abstract in concepts.
 
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8. Board Game: Magic Realm [Average Rating:7.16 Overall Rank:929]
Alan Kaiser
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Aurora
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This one probably wouldn't take years to get good at but it might take near that long to get through the rules!

OK, so that might be a bit of an overstatement but any game with a 80 page rulebook is pretty much the definition of a Steep Learning Curve! I doubt a group of new players could get through the rules and complete a game in an entire weekend. If there was ever a game with PBEM written all over it, it is this one!
 
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9. Board Game: Warhammer [Average Rating:6.66 Overall Rank:1331]
Michael Webb
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The basic rules are fiddly and novel-like enough, but when you add in all the individual 'hero' models and exceptions for each and every army the learning curve it quite steep.

Some would say understanding all the armies isn't 100% necessary, this is true, but if you don't know your opponent's model's special abilities and rush into, say, hand to hand combat with Witch Elves when a Cauldron of Blood is nearby, then you've basically sold yourself up a river without knowing it.
 
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10. Board Game: Poker [Average Rating:6.70 Overall Rank:863]
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Although most poker variations have simple rules, a number of factors make this a very tough game to master. I'd put Poker in a different category than Bridge and the other Whistish card games.

Figuring hand improvement probabilities and then pot odds requires significant calculation and/or memorization abilities. Add to this the need to read your opponent's actions to try to gauge *their* hands (somewhat like interpreting bids in Bridge but harder). Then add money management!

Easy to play, hard to play well, hard to know whether you're playing well until you go broke. And mastering your emotions when you're playing well and being beat is hardest of all.
 
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11. Board Game: Kingmaker [Average Rating:6.47 Overall Rank:1700]
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That rulebook I've just read IS in English - OR in a language that uses the same vocabulary as English but in a subtly changed context so as to make what should be perfectly comprehensible paragraphs about sieges, Parliaments and kings into impenetrable prose. The first 8 or so pages of the instructions printed in miniscule, densely crowded font, are downright scary ...... then you get to the bit that says "Advanced Rules".

Rarely has a game made me feel so intellectually inadequate.
 
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